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    I just started the patch, 25 mg, but I m using 2 patches because my dr, wouldnt give me anything for breakthough, which is BS. I m probably going to find a new dr, that will give me breakthrough pain as well, or Id rather have just breakthrough ans control when I take it.Anyways, my question is , do you think the patch is enough, I m finding it s already starting to work, I m itchy like I ve taken percost, and cant sleep which happems to me sometimes so I think it s pretty strong, but I was under the impression percosets would be noticeably a sort of high , experienced when taking it. Has anyone experienced a good feeling on the patch? The pain is already helped too, but I am also taking a few methadone that a friend said to try? Could that be making me feel that percoset high?

    What is stronger, the patch, percoset, or a long lastng oral like methadone or oxycontin?

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    The patch is fentanyl the strongest family of opiates we have.It will blow away oxycontin and percocet.The patch will take a little while to get in to your system.Think of it as filling up a pool of water,once the water reaches the top then you have an even rate,same with the patch so give it time to fill your system up.Actually it's called your serum level.Give it a good week and see how you feel.Also those patches usually only last for 2 days and not 3 so ask your doctor about that,ok.....Dave

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    • #3
      quote:Originally posted by jerrymoore

      I just started the patch, 25 mg, but I m using 2 patches because my dr, wouldnt give me anything for breakthough, which is BS. I m probably going to find a new dr, that will give me breakthrough pain as well, or Id rather have just breakthrough ans control when I take it.Anyways, my question is , do you think the patch is enough, I m finding it s already starting to work, I m itchy like I ve taken percost, and cant sleep which happems to me sometimes so I think it s pretty strong, but I was under the impression percosets would be noticeably a sort of high , experienced when taking it. Has anyone experienced a good feeling on the patch? The pain is already helped too, but I am also taking a few methadone that a friend said to try? Could that be making me feel that percoset high?

      What is stronger, the patch, percoset, or a long lastng oral like methadone or oxycontin?
      i found that the patch gave me the same affects that you are having tell them that you want the brand name DURAGESTIC its the same as fentanyl but fentanyl is generic and thats what happened to me and from experience please i started at 25 mg instead of every 72 hours it was 8 hours and here i am 7 years later and up to 175mg and trying to get off dont just stop using them you will die ask your doctor a friend of mine found them on the street and he took them and i told him not to and he didnt listen and now hes dead because he stoped cold turkey thanks

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      • #4
        Fentanylis dosed in mcg or ug (micrograms) and not mg (milligrams).

        Duragesic patches work by releasing fentanyl into subcutaneous fats, which then slowly release the drug into the blood >>>>>> over 72 hours, allowing for long lasting relief from pain and it's over 3 days not 2.

        Do NOT use 2 patches at the same time without a Dr's ok, as you can set yourself up for an OD.

        Yes, I'd see a pain management doctor about the break through pain if you feel you need relief. Self medication can be very dangerous if you don't know exactly what your doing.

        Order or known strength -- Fentanyl, then oxy (both Oxycontin and Oxycodone) and then Methadone. But Methadone is almost equal to Oxy , but not quite.

        I might not always be right, but I'm never wrong.
        I might not always be right, but I'm never wrong.

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        • #5
          72 hrs - yuh

          The generic Fentanyl patches are lucky to last 2 days. Sure as hell not 3. I'm starting to feel dope-sick after about 44 hrs. I don't know how the hell anyone could get 72 hrs out of them.

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          • #6
            fentanyl duragesic patch >> oxycodone

            do not increase your dose of fentanyl without first consuling your physician. there are several reasons for this, including: 1) you could possibly OD, 2) you will quite likely become physically dependant, and 3) when your doctor eventually decides to discontinue your treatment with fentanyl he will titrate down your dose gradually based upon the amount he has prescribed you, and if you have doubled or tripled your dose without his knowledge you are setting yourself up for an incredibly intense withdrawl the likes of which won't even compare to the worst >>>>>> withdrawl you could possibly imagine. if your duragesic patch doesn't make your pain managable, your doctor may add a number of different "kicker" drugs to potentiate it's effects rather than increasing your dose.

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            • #7
              Fentanyl Patches

              At the very worst of my Addidction, I was buying someone elses patches which were prescribed for him for a double hip replacement surgery (for long term relief and he took Oxy for Breaktthru.) He currently does still receive the pain patches and Vicodin now - he is definately a chronic pain patient, a double hip replacement for DDD which is permanent and progressive. Surprisingly, he doesnt use the patches at all.

              But I only bought the Febtanyl. These are like the devil of addiction. I took then for about 7 months......before I got caught by my Mom .... I was "cheeking" them along with wearing them.

              This is a VERY powerful drug. I started using them in 2007 - and after 6 months, was so addicted it was crazy. I'd have a75mcg (They measure in mcg >> mg as they are so strong) in my mouth whenever I was awake. I began after I had to move back home at age 38 after a very unexpected breakup and they were the only thing I had to not think about things, etc numbing the pain.

              The last time I used, My Mom found me unresponsive, passed out on my bedroom floor and called 911. I woke up in the ER being pumped full of NarCan and had to come clean (Patch was still in my mouth) Somehow the Fentanyl caused my blood sugar to jump to 456 and I was in a coma. This is not an exageration - it is a warning - this is one powerful and HIGHLY addictive med.

              I had to Cold Turkey detox at my Moms house and there were about 3 times she wanted to take me to ER - but I told her there was nothing they could do. This W/D was about 5 to 7 days, and it was HELL.

              Do NOT increase the dosage unless you speask to your dr. Be careful with this med especially if you are on other pain meds, sleep meds, or meds for anxiety.

              Please be careful.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jerrymoore View Post
                I just started the patch, 25 mg, but I m using 2 patches because my dr, wouldnt give me anything for breakthough, which is BS. I m probably going to find a new dr, that will give me breakthrough pain as well, or Id rather have just breakthrough ans control when I take it.Anyways, my question is , do you think the patch is enough, I m finding it s already starting to work, I m itchy like I ve taken percost, and cant sleep which happems to me sometimes so I think it s pretty strong, but I was under the impression percosets would be noticeably a sort of high , experienced when taking it. Has anyone experienced a good feeling on the patch? The pain is already helped too, but I am also taking a few methadone that a friend said to try? Could that be making me feel that percoset high?

                What is stronger, the patch, percoset, or a long lastng oral like methadone or oxycontin?
                Perhaps I'm reading this wrong - but from what I read, it appears you are already finding PAIN relief from the patch. Right? ("it is already starting to work" ... "the pain is already helped, too") So... are you asking for advice simply because you want a bigger "high"???

                You will know the truth - and only the truth can set you free.

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                • #9
                  SeldomRight

                  I've got pain in neck, lower back, and well, all over. I've been on norco 10mgs 6 to 7 times a day for 6 years. I've always had a high tolerance, so the high dosage has never changed. I just started the fentanyl patch (25mgs) and the doctor refilled my norco at the same 6 per day dosage. 180 norcos from a new doctor is a great feeling of trust. I'm on the 6th day with the patch, and it seems to be great. It's a strange, almost out of control feeling with an extended release. I think I will be better on Oxycontin, or Diladid. I need something that will help me with the energy loss from my seizure medication, klonopin. I need that energy, or else I'm in bed all day. Will Oxycontin give me the energy boost that the norco does? . First time on the website, Hope I'm on the same page. Thanks...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by stuarm2 View Post
                    I've got pain in neck, lower back, and well, all over. I've been on norco 10mgs 6 to 7 times a day for 6 years. I've always had a high tolerance, so the high dosage has never changed. I just started the fentanyl patch (25mgs) and the doctor refilled my norco at the same 6 per day dosage. 180 norcos from a new doctor is a great feeling of trust. I'm on the 6th day with the patch, and it seems to be great. It's a strange, almost out of control feeling with an extended release. I think I will be better on Oxycontin, or Diladid. I need something that will help me with the energy loss from my seizure medication, klonopin. I need that energy, or else I'm in bed all day. Will Oxycontin give me the energy boost that the norco does? . First time on the website, Hope I'm on the same page. Thanks...
                    First of all jumping from norco to fentanyl is a big jump, hydro is a relative week pain killer compared to fentanyl. Hydro is only about half as strong as oxy, and fentanyl is about 100x as strong as morphine. They shpuld of tried switching you to percs or starting you on oxy. Fentanyl is really strong and take it from me I mwas addicted to it for over 2 and a half yrs, I was to a point that wearing them was not an option, I was eating them and I was on 100mcg patches the biggest they make. The generics I were getting like a sticker they didnt have the gel in them,they had the drug suspended in the adhessive, so I just chewed them like gum and I was doing like 4 a day. 4omg a day of fentanyl is a lot. So I guess what I'm saying is becareful it's really powerful and can get out of control really easy....................................
                    Last edited by Anonymous; 08-18-2010, 10:42 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Fentanyl patch

                      Hi, I was just prescribed the Fentanyl patch today, 25 mcg x 72 hrs, I was taking oxycodone 10 mg every 3 to 4 hrs, and it worked great, but I asked for something that would last longer so I wouldnt have too take so many pills, I have serious back problems and pain, the oxys work good for the pain, I put the patch on 4 hrs ago and am still in pain, I guess I am used too the faster relief 15 min with the oxycodone, I am allowed to take up to 2 oxys a day for break through, does anyone know how long it takes for the patch to start working ? I guess I thought it would be faster since it is suppose to be so strong, Dr said she will increase it in a few weeks if need be, thank you, tony:

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                      • #12
                        seldomright

                        Thank you for the info on the fentanyl . It's been 4+ months on the fentanyl patch, with norco 10/325 for breakthroughs . I'm on klonopin for seizures . I'm weaning off the patch (now 75mcg for 4+ months) it worked at first, but I've been in bed with no energy, and sick feeling for a month . I've got to switch to something that will give me the energy taken from me by the klonopin I've been on for 20+ years for the seizures . My Dr knows I'm an honest guy that needs to get on with my life. I've spent a lot of time in bed. He's waiting for me to tell him if I want to try oxycontin for the energy that I get from vicodin es, but to add as an extended release . I've been on norco, or vicodin es for 5 years . Is there any other med for pain that will give me the needed energy . I can't stop klonopin because its the only med that stops my seizures . Thank you for any help. Be well, seldom right.

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                        • #13
                          Give it time and allow @ least 12 hrs. for affect...

                          Originally posted by anthony44 View Post
                          Hi, I was just prescribed the Fentanyl patch today, 25 mcg x 72 hrs, I was taking oxycodone 10 mg every 3 to 4 hrs, and it worked great, but I asked for something that would last longer so I wouldnt have too take so many pills, I have serious back problems and pain, the oxys work good for the pain, I put the patch on 4 hrs ago and am still in pain, I guess I am used too the faster relief 15 min with the oxycodone, I am allowed to take up to 2 oxys a day for break through, does anyone know how long it takes for the patch to start working ? I guess I thought it would be faster since it is suppose to be so strong, Dr said she will increase it in a few weeks if need be, thank you, tony:
                          Hey there Tony, I was told that it takes approximately 12 hrs. before the Fentanyl kicks in ok? Just be forwarned,do not abuse this or any of the other meds that you're currently on because this could have major consequences on your health/life!
                          Good Luck and hope you feel better...
                          LCM

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                          • #14
                            Fentynal time release

                            Originally posted by centurion2055 View Post
                            Hey there Tony, I was told that it takes approximately 12 hrs. before the Fentanyl kicks in ok? Just be forwarned,do not abuse this or any of the other meds that you're currently on because this could have major consequences on your health/life!
                            Good Luck and hope you feel better...
                            LCM
                            Hey Tony just went from oxy and norco to norco and fentanyl the patch is only 25 mcg per hour time release over 72 hours. Says in my box of directions printed so fine on a roadmap size piece of paper (in box) that full effect takes 20 hours to be a full level in your system, probably because it's realeased onto top of skin and has to work it's way through and into your body, not like a shot that bypasses the skin. Ben over a month on mine and I feel the best I have in a year! Was hit by a drunk driver and am still off work but looks promising to go back soon. These don't give u a (high) which is good they just keep the pain at a tolerable level so u can be u again. Just think positive and know it's nit instant relief like a shot or a pill but 2 1/2 days pain free is good enough for me. I switch them in evening so when the new one is kicking in I'm asleep, makes it just a few uncomfortable hours in the morning, not all day. Hope this advice helps. And please anyone not prescribed them by a dr don't take them! Lots of drug interactions! And you could stop breathing and DIE! So please for the love of god if your in pain find a DR! Let them help don't take your life into your own hands and die over a stupid PATCH!!

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                            • #15
                              It is unfortunate that some people have to rely on self-medication because these pain meds are so powerful, doctors are hesitant to prescribe them for the fear that their patients will get addicted.. I've been on and off of prescription-strength pain medication for about 8 years, at first after physical therapy for a knee injury at 16, and then for various surgeries after finding out I had renal issues. about 3 years ago when they put in my dialysis access when I was 21, I started to have severe nerve pain due to the fistula's growth, and the blood vessels beginning to irritate my nerves.

                              That being said, I find that I do get a full 3 days or so, occasionally 4, out of a total of 37.5mcg/hr's worth of Fentanyl patches (One 25mcg/hr patch, and one 12.5mgc/hr patch). Then again, I'm only about 110lbs at my dry weight, so it doesn't require a lot. They started me on them about a year ago, at first at 12.5mcg/hr, then up to 25mcg/hr. Recently up to 37.5mcg/hr, but I grow resistant to all medications very quickly, even the immunosuppressives I was on. My doctors in the pain clinic at my local hospital have me on 10/325mg of Norco for breakthrough pain, which is unfortunately too common, but I recently wound up in the ER after the pain got so bad it caused uncontrollable vomiting regardless. So I went home with a prescription for Hydromorphone. That was a few weeks ago. I'm avoiding taking the stuff and have only used 1 of the 10 pills, using only half of a pill at a time. The rest is going into my trauma/emergency kit with some leftover Tylenol 3's. Without the patches, I have absolutely no use of my left arm, and if I forget to call for a refill scrip I wind up being reduced to tears with my head over the toilet.

                              I don't get a high from my pain meds anymore, and if I do it's very weak and very rare... Surprising for someone in their 20's. I suppose I don't understand the recreational use of these medications, partially because I don't get a high. After an ER dose of Dilaudid, I felt normal. If someone is considering use for recreation, I generally tell them to screw off. Pardon the language. But some of us need these medications to function more than they need them to get high. I find it irritating and irresponsible. To be completely honest, I hadn't even known Fentanyl came in a "lollipop" until I saw an episode of Intervention recently...

                              Though I am admittedly curious how strong Fentanyl is compared to something like Dilaudid, or Morphine. The episode of Intervention claimed that it was "100 times stronger than Morphine", which I'm not entirely sure is accurate.. They don't ever get into if the drug is GENERALLY stronger than Morphine, or if the does SHE was taking was that much stronger.
                              Last edited by Anonymous; 01-05-2012, 01:01 AM.

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