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    Hi all,

    I am about to start my detox tomorrow and was hoping for some insight from you all. I have already got all the supplements and prescription drugs needed to ease the WDs from the Thomas recipe and a few other sources. I am mostly wondering if the WDs are going to be very bad for me or if I am just getting myself all worked up.

    I have been abusing norco (10-325) x 12 / day. I was at x6 /day about 5 years ago when this all started after a car accident. Obviously my tolerance has gone up quite a bit. I stopped needing these for the pain about a year after the crash but convinced myself somehow that I either needed them or that I didn't want to or couldn't stop.

    I decided I have had enough of this and about 6 weeks ago started tapering. I am proud to say that in that time I have not cheated once and have stuck to the taper no matter how uncomfortable it got at times. I am now taking 3x / day (30 mg/day) and the WDs have gotten constant enough that I think its just time to quit. What I am wondering is will this get much worse than its been? Am I scared of it for no reason? Looking back the last 6 weeks have been no picnic. Also I have the next 5 days off work to get through this and then I have to go back. Its a busy time of year and I run a company so my absence is rare to say the least. Do you think I will be good enough by then? I am hoping that I am worried/scared and it won't be as bad as I think it will be.

    My symptoms off and on over the last several weeks:
    -Extreme hot and cold flashes (like shirt soaked with sweat)
    -Headaches
    -Anxiety
    -Skin crawling feeling
    -irregular sleep

    Again these have not been constant usually only for 2-4 days after i reduce my dose. Any insight is appreciated.

    Also, please do not take this as me being rude but I am not looking for any responses that include horror stories of this lasting the rest of my life and suicide is imminent. Save those for someone else, I am very head strong and I am going to conquer this thing, I have to.

    P.S. I am an avid cyclist (4-5 x/week), and I also have a personal trainer that I workout with 4-5x/week. I am extremely fit and low bodyfat percentage. I wouldn't normally say this but from what I've read it may make a difference.

    Kindest Regards,
    Jeffro

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    Hey Jeff-MissDogs here glad to meet you. My personal experience was I didn't taper I went from 12+ 10/325's a day to zero. I had been taking both those and oxycodone on and off for 4 years with surgeries, could still be taking them...Anyway-detox isn't fun. I read a lot about it here. I didn't get the Thomas recipe until I was a few days in. It was hard, but I did it. I'm on day 22 and keep forgetting which days I am on. I think that's a good sign. Working out seems to help immensely. You should rock there. Low body fat should help, but...every story is different. I don't have low body fat, but have done well, just focusing on one step after another. Best of luck for tomorrow. Take care. Miss Dogs

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    • #3
      Jeffro,

      I think that 5 days will do you well. Keep exercising. It will be hard, even for you, but do it!!! Try to go with the flow and accept what comes. For me, (much bigger habit, by the way) difficulty sleeping and Restless legs were the worse. Tummy issues handled easily with Immodium. I woke up on Day 6 afraid to move because the jumping legs had calmed and I was afraid to get them going! They didn't. What you're feeling now is what your'e going to sign up for for the next 5 days. The anxiety and sleep issues will become a bit worse but exercise is the best medicine and that's your forte.

      The term "PAWS" in sometimes used around here but I don't think it's nearly as common as some would believe. No horror stories. Hunker down, batten down the hatches and have the flu for 5 days. Done deal. Then plan your recovery. That's the mental part and not easy, but doable. I did--finally.

      Peace,

      Cat

      Keep posting your progress. I would love to meet you on the other side.

      Peace,

      Cat

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      • #4
        Wow thanks I wasn't expecting 2 great responses so early on!

        MissDoggs- awesome progress I can't wait to be in your shoes! Its funny because however scared I am I think I am twice as excited. I am really looking forward to this!

        Cat- question about the working out. Are you saying I should workout this whole week? I was planning on not working out until probably Sat or Sun?

        I started clonodine yesterday, wow I can tell its going to help immensely! The downside is it makes me goofy and clumsy. I have a 1 week supply of xanex (which I plan on flushing the moment I determine the worst is over). Wife has needed xanex for a long time due to anxiety disorder so I can tell you from experience with it that it is def NOT my cup of tea. Anyways, being that the clonodine makes me clumpsy/sleepy I wasnt planning on working out on it, but if I am going about it wrong let me know!

        Thanks again to you both for the quick responses!!

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        • #5
          Hi Jeffro
          Welcome..
          Attitude is everything in detoxing and more so in sobriety.
          Because it really is the only thing we can change..
          You sound excited..
          When I was anxious I just told myself it is excitement..

          If you can keep exercising I would continue to do so..
          Drink lots of water ..
          It is very important..
          I am 40 days clean after a long taper..
          Well worth the fight!

          Not perfect but it is amazing to have choices..
          With pills the only choice is where and when to get more..
          Being clean ...
          The choices are endless..

          So prepare for the worst
          And
          Expect the best!
          You will be ok!
          Take care
          Iluv2
          Last edited by Anonymous; 03-10-2015, 09:57 PM. Reason: Spelling

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          • #6
            Iluv2-

            Thanks for the inspiring words, I will keep them close to my heart the next few weeks!

            I actually am really excited. I think I am about to blow the top off the world and unleash my true potential. I know that may sound crazy but I really feel like greatness is awaiting on the other side

            If you dont mind me asking some details about your taper? How high did you start, what period did you taper over, what did you jump off at, and how much worse were the WDs once you stopped or were they the same as when you tapered down?

            I'm ready to kick some ass we just did a no-more-norco ceremony at my house, where I burned last pills in the bbq. i feel free already, its beautiful.

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            • #7
              Jeffro I tapered off of hydo and got down to a half pill once daily. But I was not taking as many and also came off of tramadol. I did not have any wds, but the taper was no fun. Being fit and the excercise helps so much. I just wanted to chime in and say congrats on all you have done. You have a great attitude and I know you will be feeling great in no time!!

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              • #8
                Thanks for the history, sounds like we all have a bit of a different story to tell and how we are affected by it.

                Today is day 1 of the rest of my life.

                Been up for almost 2 hours now, and I don't feel well. Skin crawling, anxiety and hot/cold flashes set in about 45 min ago. Its noticeably worse than it was when I cut down on taper but its still manageable. Will keep posting as the week goes on...

                Jeffro

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                • #9
                  Quick update

                  Originally posted by jeffro6527 View Post
                  Thanks for the history, sounds like we all have a bit of a different story to tell and how we are affected by it.

                  Today is day 1 of the rest of my life.

                  Been up for almost 2 hours now, and I don't feel well. Skin crawling, anxiety and hot/cold flashes set in about 45 min ago. Its noticeably worse than it was when I cut down on taper but its still manageable. Will keep posting as the week goes on...

                  Jeffro
                  I took 0.1mg of clonodine at 5:30am followed by a 1/8 of a xanex (0.25 mg) at 7am. Took a short nap once those kicked in and just woke up. Feeling a lot better right now, except I hate the sluggish, lethargic feeling from these meds.

                  Have a BP monitor coming in about an hour, just to be on the safe side going to keep monitoring BP as to not over do the clonodine and xanex combo.

                  I'm ready and looking forward to my life beyond this week!

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                  • #10
                    Hi there..
                    I am glad you will be able to monitor your BP.

                    If you are able to continue to drink water that will help maintain your BP..
                    I tapered off of Suboxone by using a taper that I found on here..
                    It worked very well.
                    It wasn't 100% pain free.
                    But doable..
                    I tapered for about 5 months was on it for 9 months total..
                    Used it to get off of methadone.
                    I used the methadone to get off of vicodin..

                    You are so fortunate to get off of this merry go round now before some dr. Suggests opiate replacement therapy..
                    Which is kind of like the end of the road before illegal opiates..
                    I have never looked back!
                    It is far better on this side!

                    Hang in there you will be ok..
                    Please keep posting ..
                    I will check back later

                    Iluv2

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jeffro6527 View Post
                      Hi all,

                      I am about to start my detox tomorrow and was hoping for some insight from you all. I have already got all the supplements and prescription drugs needed to ease the WDs from the Thomas recipe and a few other sources. I am mostly wondering if the WDs are going to be very bad for me or if I am just getting myself all worked up.

                      I have been abusing norco (10-325) x 12 / day. I was at x6 /day about 5 years ago when this all started after a car accident. Obviously my tolerance has gone up quite a bit. I stopped needing these for the pain about a year after the crash but convinced myself somehow that I either needed them or that I didn't want to or couldn't stop.

                      I decided I have had enough of this and about 6 weeks ago started tapering. I am proud to say that in that time I have not cheated once and have stuck to the taper no matter how uncomfortable it got at times. I am now taking 3x / day (30 mg/day) and the WDs have gotten constant enough that I think its just time to quit. What I am wondering is will this get much worse than its been? Am I scared of it for no reason? Looking back the last 6 weeks have been no picnic. Also I have the next 5 days off work to get through this and then I have to go back. Its a busy time of year and I run a company so my absence is rare to say the least. Do you think I will be good enough by then? I am hoping that I am worried/scared and it won't be as bad as I think it will be.

                      My symptoms off and on over the last several weeks:
                      -Extreme hot and cold flashes (like shirt soaked with sweat)
                      -Headaches
                      -Anxiety
                      -Skin crawling feeling
                      -irregular sleep

                      Again these have not been constant usually only for 2-4 days after i reduce my dose. Any insight is appreciated.

                      Also, please do not take this as me being rude but I am not looking for any responses that include horror stories of this lasting the rest of my life and suicide is imminent. Save those for someone else, I am very head strong and I am going to conquer this thing, I have to.

                      P.S. I am an avid cyclist (4-5 x/week), and I also have a personal trainer that I workout with 4-5x/week. I am extremely fit and low bodyfat percentage. I wouldn't normally say this but from what I've read it may make a difference.

                      Kindest Regards,
                      Jeffro

                      The reality is horror stories are created by staying on these nasty pills. Deciding to quit is the best decision you may ever make in your life. I would say suicidal thoughts and actions occur while on the pills not when coming off or eliminated for a long time.

                      Your first post makes me believe you are a smart guy with a good head for business and life and know what to do and can make it happen. I would recommend doing as much research as you can on reputable sites, such as John Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic and Harvard Medical so you understand whats ahead of you.

                      If you read my post you will see one persons journey, everyone is different, it took me awhile but I fought every minute of everyday and never gave up. My disaster is much greater then yours, but yours could be much greater then mine if you continue to take pain pills. I admire your attitude and outlook, do not lose that, that will get you through whats about to happen.

                      This website / forum was huge in my success, there are many awesome people here and truly understanding. No one will ever know what you are going through unless they have been through it themselves.

                      You will face tough times physically and mentally but they will pass. You may not think so at the time, but they do pass and life returns (slowly)

                      Record your journey on paper, make a video with your phone speaking to yourself, review them when you need and if you ever want to take another pill review your records. May sound silly but when someone is on the edge of losing their internal life, spark, flame and more it becomes very real.

                      Hopefully this decision has foundation and you have made the necessary preparations by getting rid of all the pills, eliminating all the relationships with suppliers, Doctors and others and communicated your plan with a person closest to you that does not do drugs.

                      Only you can do this and it can only be done for you and no one else because if you don't have yourself no one else will either. I desperately want you to succeed, good luck and never given up.

                      Take it until you make it!

                      Kind Regards,
                      E

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                      • #12
                        All great points thank you.

                        I dont know how you guys do this, do you say hours since your last pill or hours into WDs? Last pill was 19 hours ago. WDs have been going now for 7 hours now.

                        All I can say is WOW. This is a humbling experience for sure! I can see what this brings people to their knees! I'm not going to buckle just all the more impressed with all of you that have faced this demon and beaten it. I can see I have an uphill battle for at least the next 72 hours. Its weird and the best way I can describe it is that i get these really intense waves of fear that come over me, that i cant do this and that I tapered too fast. Either way I'm not going to get this opportunity away from work again so I am fully commited.

                        Thanks again for all the support I will update you guys as much as possible.

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                        • #13
                          Most of us do things the hard way..
                          But let me give you some insight ..
                          The only way around this
                          Is
                          Through it!!

                          E
                          The above poster fought the whole first few days ..
                          It was really tough
                          But he just hung in there ..
                          I know it has been months for him now...

                          It's funny cuz 30 days from now this will be a distant memory..

                          Hide the clock so you don't keep looking at it..

                          Get busy... do some dreaded tasks..
                          Staying busy is better..

                          Watch some funny movies
                          Laughing is a good way to get your endorphins flowing again..

                          Do this right
                          and You
                          Never have to do this
                          Again!

                          I will check back later
                          B/ iluv2

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                          • #14
                            Hey Jeff,

                            Welcome to your Day 1. My opinion here, you can take it or leave it. The clonodine and/or zanex, save them for nights. Stay busy, plenty of exercise, hot baths or showers and get rid of the clocks! There is absolutely no timeline right now so just rid yourself of that concept. Minutes feel like hours. You won't sleep thru this no matter how hard you try so I found that for me, the best thing was to do WHATEVER would pass the daytime hours and try to sleep at night. Set small goals for yourself continually. Stay tuned here for the cheerleading squad!

                            I too shared that excitement on my last Day 1. It is so worth it.

                            Peace,

                            Cat

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                            • #15
                              Hey Jeff-Cat said it. Try to sleep at night. I'm on day 23, and sleep is still not right. I took Imodium to help withdrawals. That helped me immeasurably. I got online and read some horror stories and followed advice here. I started at one level, stayed there, then tapered. For me it was like magic. I CT the opiates, but whatever receptor they adhere to really helped me. I didn't have clonidine or Xanax. But then you tapered the opiate so maybe you're in a better place. Day 1 is great. You're excitement is great. I was more a "get the job done", person, focused on small steps. Way to go. Stay strong. Miss Dogs

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