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  • #16
    Read This on Past post

    I was up to about 12 10/325 a day at that point and 8 mg of suboxone was a good fit, which I was able to knock down to 4 mg within a couple months and gradually to 1 mg, 1/2 mg until a couple days ago when I stopped altogether (full process took 10 months - I started this in January). At that point, I had tapered to about a 1/3 or so every 36 hours. I would highly recommend this sort of slow tapering; I spent about a month or two at each level and my body told me when I was ready for less. I literally started forgetting my dose at certain intervals

    So I read this from a past dose when I was trying to get some isdeas about getting off the sub. I KNOW I just got on but I just need to know my life will be normal again. Really months????? That alone freaks me out. i know i have to relax and be glad i am off the oxy (and I am) but i just want to be past this. titre by little bits iof a pill? Can you actually break them in pieces. I only break in 2 right now. robert, you and this post have been a godsend to me. really. No one can understand unless they live it. I try to tell my husband that. You can't know unless you live it! And actually I think I quoted the wrong mg amount I am taking. I think it is an 8mg tablet and I am taking half which is 4mg, not 1. Oops.
    Last edited by Anonymous; 08-25-2008, 09:35 PM.

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    • #17
      sisterwin
      THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

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      • #18
        Originally posted by walck View Post
        I was up to about 12 10/325 a day at that point and 8 mg of suboxone was a good fit, which I was able to knock down to 4 mg within a couple months and gradually to 1 mg, 1/2 mg until a couple days ago when I stopped altogether (full process took 10 months - I started this in January). At that point, I had tapered to about a 1/3 or so every 36 hours. I would highly recommend this sort of slow tapering; I spent about a month or two at each level and my body told me when I was ready for less. I literally started forgetting my dose at certain intervals

        So I read this from a past dose when I was trying to get some isdeas about getting off the sub. I KNOW I just got on but I just need to know my life will be normal again. Really months????? That alone freaks me out. i know i have to relax and be glad i am off the oxy (and I am) but i just want to be past this. titre by little bits iof a pill? Can you actually break them in pieces. I only break in 2 right now. robert, you and this post have been a godsend to me. really. No one can understand unless they live it. I try to tell my husband that. You can't know unless you live it! And actually I think I quoted the wrong mg amount I am taking. I think it is an 8mg tablet and I am taking half which is 4mg, not 1. Oops.



        There is a lot of difference in 1mg >> 4mg. I was totally confused when you kept saying 1mg. So you have been taking from 4-8mg. That is totally normal. Now I feel better about this entire thing.

        It doesn't have to take you months on suboxone. I began tapering off at about three weeks. I was done at six weeks. But for others it does take months, even longer for some. This is a program that our individual circumstances dictate how we take the medication. It's not a "one size fits all" type thing.

        When you get ready to get off the suboxone you can titrate down. Yes that means to reduce your dose down. You just get a single-edged razor and you can cut that 8mg pill into 1-2mg pieces very easily. If you get too small it will turn to powder. But cutting the pills up is the best way to reduce the dose. I wouldn't worry about that for now. I promise if you follow the suggestions that you are given here you won't have any trouble when it's time to stop. Just relax. Give yourself time to heal more, then focus on getting off the suboxone. Don't worry about something that isn't even happening now. You will be just fine. You don't need to do this for life, but don't worry about how you're going to stop when you just got started.

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        • #19
          Suboxone

          Suboxone seems like a miracle to most, but just wait until you attempt to get off of it! It's awful! I work at a drug and alcohol treatment facility and I see patients everyday detoxing from suboxone. It's seriously awful. It's just a replacement drug, like methadone. Be careful guys, Suboxone is still and opiate and higly addictive! Just a head's up!
          Good luck everyone!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by nichole123 View Post
            Suboxone seems like a miracle to most, but just wait until you attempt to get off of it! It's awful! I work at a drug and alcohol treatment facility and I see patients everyday detoxing from suboxone. It's seriously awful. It's just a replacement drug, like methadone. Be careful guys, Suboxone is still and opiate and higly addictive! Just a head's up!
            Good luck everyone!


            Have you ever stopped to consider that the reason you see people in rehab having trouble with suboxone is that the people who have done so well with it ARE AT HOME?????? The people having problems didn't take it like it's supposed to be done. Please don't attempt to make people think that this is a bad thing to do. They are getting clean. And suboxone works just fine.

            I help people in recovery too. It annoys me when "drug counselors" come here and tell everyone how bad something is and they don't realize how much they are harming people. Someone might decide NOT to get clean from reading your post. How does that make you feel???

            Thanks for the "heads up" but we will make it just fine thank you.

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            • #21
              getting Off Suboxone

              See Robert. I read your post and feel better about it and then I read the post from Nichole123 and UGH!!!! Of course it does not help that I have been on anti depresseents for many years, now wellbutrin and Cymblata 60mg. And of course you know that I stepped down on the Oxy from 60/60 to 30/30 and hit a brick wall. Just hearing her say that i am in for another nightmare, well it does give that UNEASY feeling. I can DO weeks, but months, don't thik I have the strength. I will keep reading the posts though and learn through others.

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              • #22
                walck
                There is not alot of people i trust in this world,but robert knows what he is talking about I dont care where nichole works.If there is a way robert will find it.sister can also help you.they are both great.
                It's all good,Melinda

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by walck View Post
                  See Robert. I read your post and feel better about it and then I read the post from Nichole123 and UGH!!!! Of course it does not help that I have been on anti depresseents for many years, now wellbutrin and Cymblata 60mg. And of course you know that I stepped down on the Oxy from 60/60 to 30/30 and hit a brick wall. Just hearing her say that i am in for another nightmare, well it does give that UNEASY feeling. I can DO weeks, but months, don't thik I have the strength. I will keep reading the posts though and learn through others.



                  This is exactly why I told her how much she PI$$ED me off. People come on here and act like they know everything because they happen to work in a goofy rehab. BIG DEAL !!! Wish they would just stay off this forum if they are going to do what she just did to you. Now you are paranoid because of what someone said who needs to keep her opinions to herself if she can't say something constructive. Do what you like but you should not let someone like that affect what you decide. There are too many people here who know better than she does.

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                  • #24
                    OK Robert and Sisterwin. I will go with the plan. I will wait until the 4th and see what the Dr. says. The 4 mg dose 2x a day seems to be working for me now several days. yesterday for no reason in the afternoon I went into the worst sweat (pouring down me in buckets) and thought I was going to throw up. Carried a bag around with me a couple hours. I took one of my husbands Valiums and layed down, fell right asleep for over and hour and woke up feeling fine, no symptoms. I am goimng to ask my primary if I can turn in my ativan that I have been taking for years (NOT abusing) and switch to 10 mg valium, when I need it. Again let me re-iterate to those of you who don't know me. I am not an abuser and never have been. I still have a bottle of percs in my purse from the original surgery in march that I don't take and I have a full bottle of tylenol and coedine I bought in Canada last Novemeber that I never opened. I just think the valium does a better job at keeping me calm when I get into a tizzy. I have been on anti depressents for years and have been on Wellbutrin and Cymbalta 60 mg for about 3 years. Any feedback on the valium for a NON ABUSER.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by walck View Post
                      OK Robert and Sisterwin. I will go with the plan. I will wait until the 4th and see what the Dr. says. The 4 mg dose 2x a day seems to be working for me now several days. yesterday for no reason in the afternoon I went into the worst sweat (pouring down me in buckets) and thought I was going to throw up. Carried a bag around with me a couple hours. I took one of my husbands Valiums and layed down, fell right asleep for over and hour and woke up feeling fine, no symptoms. I am goimng to ask my primary if I can turn in my ativan that I have been taking for years (NOT abusing) and switch to 10 mg valium, when I need it. Again let me re-iterate to those of you who don't know me. I am not an abuser and never have been. I still have a bottle of percs in my purse from the original surgery in march that I don't take and I have a full bottle of tylenol and coedine I bought in Canada last Novemeber that I never opened. I just think the valium does a better job at keeping me calm when I get into a tizzy. I have been on anti depressents for years and have been on Wellbutrin and Cymbalta 60 mg for about 3 years. Any feedback on the valium for a NON ABUSER.



                      I am glad that you made the decision. It's good to think for yourself. You know inside that you are doing the right thing for YOU. This will end up changing your life for the better.

                      Taking 4mg twice daily is a perfect dose in my opinion. 8mg per day seems to work for most people I have seen. Even as much as I abused opiates for decades I was on 8mg as well. If it worked for me it should help you just fine.
                      You may even find that in a short time you can function very well on a little bit less of a dose. But 8mg is fine for now.

                      The sweating episodes can be a normal side effect. It can also be a symptom of too high a dose. Most people don't have sweating episodes at 8mg but some have them even at very low doses. It's impossible to say exactly what the cause for the sweating is as we are all different and react to the medication a little differently from each other. I suspect that it will smooth out as you become acclimated to the suboxone. We need to give it some time and see if it corrects itself.

                      You do want to watch it taking any benzos with the suboxone. I realize you don't abuse it, and it's okay to take valium 10mg if you really need it. Just please don't do it on a daily basis. I was also dependent on benzos. When I cleaned up finally the last time I was taking 15-20mg a day of xanax and another 6-8mg a day of klonopin along with 40 lorcets a day. When I stopped I had seizures and it made the opiate detox seem like child's play. Had electric shock syndrome that would literally lift me off the floor. And it was so painful. You taking valium 10mg is not the same as what I was doing but all benzos are extremely addictive. Probably more so than opiates for those of us who like benzos. Just use the valium only when you have to. Then it will be okay. Keep us posted how this is working for you. God bless.

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                      • #26
                        Bull!!!

                        Originally posted by MrMaddyMan View Post
                        Okay,

                        Being that I've done it all. Everything from >>>>>>, OC's, Perks, Vics, Ultrams, Codeine, everything.........It the drugs got me high I've taken them and allot of them... I was at 5 OC 80mg a day for 3 years, and then graduated to 3 or 5 bundles of >>>>>> a day.
                        Anyways, . Also once you’re on suboxone it stays in your system for a day. During that time you can't get high from any opiates. The only thing with Suboxone is that in order for it to work an addict needs to have all opiates out of there system. Meaning that they will have at least 1 or 2 bad days of withdrawal.

                        Good Luck trust me I started on 32mg of Suboxone and I'm now down to under 8mg. I take about 3/4 of an 8mg pill a day.


                        P.S. as to what Needlefree4three said about Scientific tests have proven opiate addicts are some of the most intelligent people on Earth. I 100% agree..........:-) :-)
                        There is withdrawal from Suboxone...albeit not as bad as >>>>>> or OC withdrawal, but I was on suboxone for 8 months and it took more than 2 months to feel normal again...even with slowly tapering from 16 to 1/4 mg a day. I felt like ********************! I got on this site and people said the longer you're on it, the harder it is to get off. So plan on taking it forever or going back to illegal narcotics.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by prettypoopoo View Post
                          There is withdrawal from Suboxone...albeit not as bad as >>>>>> or OC withdrawal, but I was on suboxone for 8 months and it took more than 2 months to feel normal again...even with slowly tapering from 16 to 1/4 mg a day. I felt like ********************! I got on this site and people said the longer you're on it, the harder it is to get off. So plan on taking it forever or going back to illegal narcotics.



                          People spend their lives gobbling up pills and shooting >>>>>> and God knows what all else. Who knows what all kinds of sick behavior they engage in selling their souls to the drugs. All of that is okay. But then they get on a medication like suboxone that can save their life and they think that they have been jerked around because it takes them a couple months to get "NORMAL" again. I don't buy that. Who cares about a couple of months to be clean and detox without symptoms if done properly? I think that is a very small price to pay for having your life back. And life is about choices. If you decide to use narcotics again that is your decision. It isn't due to being on or from stopping suboxone.

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                          • #28
                            Previous post

                            I am still throwing up occasionally. Went to Atlantic City over night and drank NO alcohol. Little nauseaus last night and today but now I am going to go throw u p for sure. WHY?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by prettypoopoo View Post
                              There is withdrawal from Suboxone...albeit not as bad as >>>>>> or OC withdrawal, but I was on suboxone for 8 months and it took more than 2 months to feel normal again...even with slowly tapering from 16 to 1/4 mg a day. I felt like ********************! I got on this site and people said the longer you're on it, the harder it is to get off. So plan on taking it forever or going back to illegal narcotics.

                              Well........ I guess God really loves me. I have done more drugs then most on this forum and this is not a brag. I have had a few yrs here and there clean with great efford except when out to sea...

                              I started the sub 7 weeks ago and began at 40mgs... way too high of a dose but by the grace of GOD.. this forum got me straighten out... I am now on .5mg and have already skipped days.... so. I blow your post right out. Rob did it in 6 weeks total and I know this man is not lying... he is off and living a normal life. I would bet my life that you didnt wean slow enough. Dont come on here and try to blow everyone else soberity. If you didnt not make it that was your choice. If you plan to stay on the sub, that is your choice (not saying a bad choice)... But to make a blanket statment as you just did really pisses me off.... YOUR WRONG!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by nichole123 View Post
                                Suboxone seems like a miracle to most, but just wait until you attempt to get off of it! It's awful! I work at a drug and alcohol treatment facility and I see patients everyday detoxing from suboxone. It's seriously awful. It's just a replacement drug, like methadone. Be careful guys, Suboxone is still and opiate and higly addictive! Just a head's up!
                                Good luck everyone!

                                Nichole..... Pls research before you make such blanket statments. There are many testimonies that show the opsite of what you just stated. True, sub is an opiate, true its addictive, if abused I am sure is awful. There are too many MD's perscribing that are in this for the money, just like rehabs. You have made four post and all four very negative and half truth. Have you been on suboxone?

                                Not sure what your goal is but looks like your attempting to sabatoge alot of folks... why?, Do you know what the success rate of rehabs are?????? last I heard it less then 85%, I think that is generous. I have been three times and came out more brainwash and beat up then the last. I was told that I am powerless over the drugs,,, NOT TRUE. I was told once a junkie always a junkie.... what hope could I have? I was stripped of all my defenses then put out on the street..????????? this makes sense? I was screamed at, called useless, liar, piece of shi", I would never suggest to any of my friends to go inhouse rehab. 9,000 bucks and prob. more now just to be abused and convince that I have maybe 15% chance of making it????

                                oh yes..... and your statment previously about doing rapid detox???? Pls refrain from making such uneducated statments...... we have vunerable, scared folks coming here, some hanging by a thread as I was. You come in here and talk about something that you know nothing about. YOu almost had a hand in blowing my chance of making it..... are you going to continue?

                                Are there too many empty beds or what? I am sure your facility would give a bed to an un-insured active addict... so maybe you can save a life?????

                                Becarefull Please what you say....... esp. when you have nothing to loose. We do. Our lives. Attempt to be positive...

                                If you want to e-mail me for further discussion pls feel free, I would love the chance to explain further in private.
                                Sister

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