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  • #31
    Wow, I guess I got over zealous..... I though I deleted the my last post attempting to give it a day before I responded.... didnt happen.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by walck View Post
      See Robert. I read your post and feel better about it and then I read the post from Nichole123 and UGH!!!! Of course it does not help that I have been on anti depresseents for many years, now wellbutrin and Cymblata 60mg. And of course you know that I stepped down on the Oxy from 60/60 to 30/30 and hit a brick wall. Just hearing her say that i am in for another nightmare, well it does give that UNEASY feeling. I can DO weeks, but months, don't thik I have the strength. I will keep reading the posts though and learn through others.

      blow her off for she does not know what she is talking about......... dont abuse the drug, do what is suggested and it will work for you.. its not a magic pill that will take away your abuse problems, but will give you time to get you head together so that you have the chance to change your life.

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      • #33
        Way to go sis......

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        • #34
          Getting Off Suboxone

          How will my body know it is time to step down. My pill cutter can barely cut it in half and I get splintered pieces everywhere. how in the world do you cut smaller. they don't make smaller doese pills. i am taking 4 mg 2x a day and they are hard tosplit. I AM tired a lot. I have been taking naps every day and really sleeping better than when I was taking the oxy contin. what happens if i miss a dose. what kind of reaction would i have. I am only afraid that doctors keep you on longer than needed especially for people like me who have great insurance and everything is covered 100% and i am not an abuser. Are the side effects the same as oxycontin if I did not take it? I AM taking it it but I want to know the future. See Dr. on the 4th. Thanks everyone. IS this stuff also a narcotic?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by walck View Post
            How will my body know it is time to step down. My pill cutter can barely cut it in half and I get splintered pieces everywhere. how in the world do you cut smaller. they don't make smaller doese pills. i am taking 4 mg 2x a day and they are hard tosplit. I AM tired a lot. I have been taking naps every day and really sleeping better than when I was taking the oxy contin. what happens if i miss a dose. what kind of reaction would i have. I am only afraid that doctors keep you on longer than needed especially for people like me who have great insurance and everything is covered 100% and i am not an abuser. Are the side effects the same as oxycontin if I did not take it? I AM taking it it but I want to know the future. See Dr. on the 4th. Thanks everyone. IS this stuff also a narcotic?



            I will try to answer each of your questions but please relax. Nothing wrong with being apprehensive but you are freaking out about every single aspect of using this medication. Try and just trust what we have been saying.

            First thing is LOSE the pill cutter. They are worthless when you get to small pieces, they just crush up the pill. Buy a single-edged razor blade. It works great and you can literally slice off a sliver with it. Works really well. By the way they do make a 2mg pill instead of the 8mg. When we get down to 1mg doses and smaller it's really easy to do with the 2mg pills. I always stuck with the 8mg pills and I had no problems cutting them as long as I used the razor and not a pill cutter. Cutters are for splitting pills in half. That is about all they are good for.

            Sometimes it takes a little bit to become acclimated to the medication. It may cause us to be tired, may cause us to have a little trouble sleeping, we can all react slightly different than others do as with all meds. Give yourself a little time to get used to it. It should be easier to sleep on buprenorphine than it is on oxy. Lots of people have difficulty sleeping on oxy with scratching and our minds kind of racing. Suboxone should be much easier.

            Buprenorphine has a very long half life. So if we miss a dose it normally doesn't make a lot of difference. Probably won't even notice it. Just take the next dose when you would normally take it. With oxy I always started w/d symptoms after about 4-5 hours without a dose. Suboxone doesn't act like that. As far as knowing when it's time to step down just follow the taper instructions that we provide. You can always push yourself a little extra if you want to without concern. Remember that if you ever feel badly when tapering down just take a little sliver and you will feel better almost instantly.

            One of the main subjects concerning suboxone that we post about on this forum is using it for the correct amount of time. You are wise to wonder about drs keeping us on it longer than is really necessary. There are lots of really good suboxone drs who treat their patients with respect and prescribe the suboxone properly and for the right amount of time. Sadly some don't act in this manner. We can be easily taken advantage of by an opportunist dr especially if we have great insurance. If you continue to communicate regularly here that won't happen. You will receive lots of good suggestions. All you have to do is follow the suggestions you are given.

            Buprenorphine is a schedule III opiate. That simply means that we are required to have a prescription but legally we can have refills just like with hydrocodone (although drs don't typically give us refills). Suboxone is a scheduled drug but doesn't get us high like other scheduled drugs. Hope this makes you feel a little better. Again just relax. Everything will be fine. Don't worry about things that haven't even happened.

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            • #36
              My Very Last Post

              I want to say thank you to everyone on here, experienced and not. I learned a lot about suboxone and the people who take it. I had 2 very bad back surgeries in a few months time and was taking oxycontin 80/80, Percocet 10/325 and Dillautid 8mg. Do not remember much for months. Anyway got off the percs, the dillautid , no problem and down to 30/20 on the oxy and my body could not get down past that without horrible withdrawl symptoms, hence the suboxone. I am not and never have been an abuser so my dr. and I agreed I would see someone who specializes. After hearing the horror stories on the blog, I was freaked out but many of you encourgaed me to go forward with it. I have been on it for 2 weeks at 4mg. 2x a day and felt fine. Yesterday I dropped down to 2mg. 2 times a day and feel fine. Saw the Dr. today and he said 1 week stay at 2 mg. 2x a day and then 1 week at 2mg 1 time a day and stop!!1 I was so surprised. He said had I been a user prior to this situation he would keep me on it another month because he said many people get off and 2 weeks later they are back and have regressed. Because my body is not used to more than that on a regular basis I should be fine and off! So the story is, the surgeries were a success but the patient turned into a drug addict. For months my doctors and sugeon told me not to worry about it, they would get me off when it was time. Well it has been 6 months and it is TIME for sure. BUT it was not a NO PROBLEM problem. It was serious to me and I know to all of you. It can be done. Now I think I will go back to smoking a joint now and again socially with friends as I have been doing for 40 years and looking back on this with tremendous sympathy and heartfelt feelings for all of you who continue to go through it on a daily basis. Keep up the postings. They Do help. Carol......

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              • #37
                Originally posted by walck View Post
                I want to say thank you to everyone on here, experienced and not. I learned a lot about suboxone and the people who take it. I had 2 very bad back surgeries in a few months time and was taking oxycontin 80/80, Percocet 10/325 and Dillautid 8mg. Do not remember much for months. Anyway got off the percs, the dillautid , no problem and down to 30/20 on the oxy and my body could not get down past that without horrible withdrawl symptoms, hence the suboxone. I am not and never have been an abuser so my dr. and I agreed I would see someone who specializes. After hearing the horror stories on the blog, I was freaked out but many of you encourgaed me to go forward with it. I have been on it for 2 weeks at 4mg. 2x a day and felt fine. Yesterday I dropped down to 2mg. 2 times a day and feel fine. Saw the Dr. today and he said 1 week stay at 2 mg. 2x a day and then 1 week at 2mg 1 time a day and stop!!1 I was so surprised. He said had I been a user prior to this situation he would keep me on it another month because he said many people get off and 2 weeks later they are back and have regressed. Because my body is not used to more than that on a regular basis I should be fine and off! So the story is, the surgeries were a success but the patient turned into a drug addict. For months my doctors and sugeon told me not to worry about it, they would get me off when it was time. Well it has been 6 months and it is TIME for sure. BUT it was not a NO PROBLEM problem. It was serious to me and I know to all of you. It can be done. Now I think I will go back to smoking a joint now and again socially with friends as I have been doing for 40 years and looking back on this with tremendous sympathy and heartfelt feelings for all of you who continue to go through it on a daily basis. Keep up the postings. They Do help. Carol......



                Take this for what it is worth. If you jump off at 2mg a day you will have w/d symptoms. That is a fact. It's easy to think we have this licked because suboxone is so effective. Your dr is wrong to tell you to stop when you are still at 2mg. Don't care if he is a dr or not. Listen to what he says and you will regret it I would almost bet my house.

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                • #38
                  OK OK. I will go slower. Have tons of pills. I will just take the little slivers after dropping to 2mg a day for a week. I will go to every other day and see how it goes. Going on vacation 9/20 and want to feel like myself again.

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                  • #39
                    Don't allow a calender to determine your taper plan. We abuse meds for a long time then want to be free of them in our own time frame. It just doesn't work that way. I sincerely hope you are free and done with this by then but your vacation will be a real drag if you take off and are in w/ds while on vacation when it could be avoided so easily.

                    The taper plan I emailed you will work. I promise I have seen it work over and again. We are here if we can help. Good luck.

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                    • #40
                      Taper

                      i have been on 2mg once a day for about 3-4 days. Seem ok. Will the side effects be the the same as the oxy sid effects. don't know what i am looking for exactly.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by walck View Post
                        i have been on 2mg once a day for about 3-4 days. Seem ok. Will the side effects be the the same as the oxy sid effects. don't know what i am looking for exactly.



                        If you were going to feel any side effects you would have felt them by the fourth day. And you would know what they are I promise. So this is good. You are doing this with basically no symptoms, nothing noticeable anyway.

                        Tomorrow take 1mg. We are going to get you off this by the time you go on vacation just as you wanted to do. I know how important that is to you after the last year you have had.

                        Stay at 1mg for another four days. Then lets see how you feel. PLEASE remember that if you start to feel any bad symptoms (and you will know what I mean if you feel them) then take a little sliver. But I don't expect that to happen. If all is well in four days we will have you reduce one more time for four more days. Then you will start skipping days. You will be in good shape by vacation time. You may be finishing up the day skipping process but it will be the very end of this. God bless.
                        Last edited by Anonymous; 09-07-2008, 05:52 PM.

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                        • #42
                          suboxone detox

                          I have just found this thread and am very grateful for the info and that it is current. As far as I know, suboxone is a "newer" form of opiate detox and more is being learned about it.
                          I agree that it is a miracle as I have been able to leave my oxy addiction of 1 year with suboxone help. It has been a year and 2 months since I first took suboxone; I take about 1 to 2mg a day, and like many here, are concerned about getting free from symptoms and side-effects.
                          I totally agree with the helpers here like Robt325 who encourage positive outlook, with reasonable perspective. I feel totally grateful for what suboxone has done for me so far.

                          My doctor is a Psychiatrist/MD who only deals with pharmaceutical therapy and says that addicts have a chemical imbalance which causes us to look for relief in substances. He says that suboxone, while not perfect, is a tool to help get addicts to a more functional level and for some, it may be a life long medication.
                          That would be fine with me, but unfortunately, I have either side-effects or something else wrong with me.
                          In middle age, with lots of obligations, I find myself in a funk; physically and mentally and emotionally.
                          Being on oxy was terrible; the worst, but I still, after a yr on sub oxone, have very very low energy about 75% of my day. I also have some depression; like I don't look forward to anything anymore.
                          As I said, I only take about 1 mg per day, but yes if I go more than a day without it, I feel like I can't sit still; I'm tired, but cant rest; anxious and nervous, but tired. Seems like typical withdrawal symptoms.
                          I have had to reduce my output (work load) way down about 50%, and am anxious about that too.
                          I try to have a very healthy diet, and it is hard for me to get excited about excercise but I know it should help with energy and the depression.

                          Thank you for any suggestions, comments, and your help in "being there".

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                          • #43
                            Hi Robert_325..I noticed you give a lot of advice so you must know about it. I've been on suboxone for 3 years. My doctor tried to lower me but it didn't work. I'm still on what he started me with..16 mg a day. He's not in it for the money at all...he's gotten to know my personality or habits. I know I'll probably be on it for the rest of my life. Ironically, I was in the hospital for some other reason about a year into taking sub. No one in the hospital knew what suboxone or buprenorphine was. So the first night started the kicking and then the next, I was told I was talking extremely fast in my sleep and my eyes were open. The stupid nurse told my mom I was dreaming. I was out the next day and when my doctor who isn't affiliated with that hospital heard, he said that was one of the withdrawal symptoms and to quickly take my dose as soon as I could. How can a hospital not know what it is and have me go through torture? Besides that, which was in 05, the past few months, when I get my pills (which maybe cause I have nails-never had a problem cutting them. I'm actually pretty good at it) Dumb thing to brag about. But I'm so used to it now, with one hand I break it in half before putting it under my tongue because someone told me it will work faster. But back to the point, when I get them, I'm supposed to take 2....I take 5 and feel so good. It's like being on percs again. But it doesn't work if I try it the next day...it's as if I took my normal dose. So every week or so, mostly if I'm depressed or in extra pain, I take more than I should in a day. Which leaves me with not enough for the rest of the month. So I take only 1 and for example, today I didn't take any. Because I won't feel the withdrawal. But after a few days of only taking 1, I feel like I'm going to jump out of my skin. I yawn constantly but other than that, I don't have any really bad withdrawals..not enough to make me stop abusing them. Well, it does help that I'm on xanax. But as to the question if suboxone is addictive, I guess not. I'm just abusing it...like everything else. But what can I take then when I'm in pain? 4 200mg motrins do absolutely nothing. Nothing at all has ever helped my migraines (except for fioricet-which I abused until I was in the hospital). A friend of mine who used to take percs also, but a lot more than I did, hasn't taken them in years.
                            He barely takes 8 mg of suboxone. Yet he had surgery and the morphine didn't work at all. Does that mean I'll be in pain my whole life? If something ever happened and I had to get surgery, the morphine wouldn't work? Is there anything stronger than morphine?
                            I don't know if I should tell my doctor I'm abusing suboxone. I've already asked him to raise me and he looked at me like I was crazy. Are there any long term side effects you know of? Besides maybe orange stained teeth. Thanks for letting me ramble.

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                            • #44
                              wow;Summermaru, I am not Robert, but I would like to comment on your case. I may be wrong, but I think your Dr is prescribing sub for detox from Opiates and you are using it for pain. I did read somewhere that suboxone has been used for pain in the UK for many years, but here it is almost strictly for getting off opiates.
                              I am sorry you are not getting the pain relief you need, but I think that is where you should focus, and not on getting high or abusing. Get your pain dealt with the best way.
                              If you are having withdrawals then perhaps yes, suboxone can be considered addictive.

                              The reason most take suboxone is to get off the addiction which makes life more of a bummer. We are trying to get healthy again. That is why I want to get off suboxone some day if possible; I dont like having side-effects as I wrote before, and I dont like having withdrawals.

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                              • #45
                                Summermaru

                                You are taking entirely too much suboxone. And any dr who really knows suboxone does not prescribe any benzos long term with it. That is bad news. Can cause respiratory depression. You need to titrate down from the dose you are taking. You are not using the suboxone properly at all. You even admit abusing it. I will not make suggestions on how to get pain relief while you are compromising yourself with the way you are taking this drug and others. No way I will tell you to take another drug. If you want to get off the suboxone entirely or get your dose WAY down I will make suggestions on how to correct what you are currently doing. But I refuse to participate when you are doing this the way you are doing it.

                                There are a lot more serious side effects to what you are doing than having orange stained teeth. Common sense tells you that. If you think that is funny then I don't know what to tell you. Good luck.

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