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  • #91
    Originally posted by DET Red09 View Post
    I understand what you said...But what doesnt make sense is........Well I have been taking 12mg of suboxone...Then on Sunday for other issues I dropped it to half a pill a day...4mg...I take it at about 530am...If it has the 36 hour half life...I take more exactly every 24 hours for the past 5 days...So it still doesnt explain why I just now had the urge to take more....But for the past days I havefelt fine...At least I think I did?...Sometimes itd hard to tell because I usually dont ever feel good....So when I feel lousy I dont know if its because I need more suboxone or because I am depressed...Oh and I am depressd...Thats always been obvious....

    But youve heard this a thousand times....But I think it is very cool that there is people out there like you who seem to actually care about other people...I am so used to being around selfish people that reading your posts are refreshing and I feel a sense of calmness...Browsing around the forum I see you have many detailed posts to other users...God bless YOU for that...the world needs more people like for thigs to ever change........

    I have spent most of my life in the Detroit area which is mainly drug abusers to the maximum...I dont want to place you in a category but when you say street drugs drinkin and smokin I imagine those fiends that roam the street...and to think one of them deciding to become clean and actually try to make a positive impact on others is amazing....But then again I mean no offense im not calling you a crackhead or anything...But I think you know what I mean..........Thanks for being a real person




    I appreciate the kind words and I don't take offense with anything you say. I do this as a form of making ammends for lots of the "not so good" things I have done in my life. This is a ministry for me. I try to help people when I am able. I owe society that much at least for just being me.

    You are right about the street drug thing. I doubt there are very many drugs of any kind I haven't done in excess at one time or another. Not bragging by any means, but we tend to place more value on someone's opinion who has been there for a long time.

    The thing about your suboxone problem is that first of all suboxone is a very low dose medication. By that I mean that we take it in a very small number of mg per dose. You said you went from 12mg to 4mg last Sunday. Think about that. You dropped the dose by 75% at one time. That is crazy. You should never do that, especially from a moderately high dose to a small dose. It's no wonder you got sick. For the last five days your body hasn't noticed the change in doses because the long half life has been keeping you from feeling it. Then after 4-5 days it has caught up with itself and you. I would have told you exactly what would happen if we had talked on Sunday. This is a classic example of what happens when we don't reduce the dose properly.

    You need to re-adjust your dose now. You dropped it by way too much. Tell me exactly how you are feeling and exactly what w/d symptoms you are experiencing. Do you have access to plenty of suboxone if I suggest to you that you increase your dose at this time? Or do you want me to make these suggestions to you at all? I don't ever want to get into someone else's space without them wanting me to do so. See this is what you should do, bump it up some, and then we can start you tapering back down again the right way.

    I have several good friends in and around Detroit. I have worked with all of them trying to help them get rid of their opiate dependencies as well. Detroit is one of the worst places in the country for drugs and violence as you know. It's a trip. Let me know if you want help getting the suboxone dosing down properly and getting off it entirely. God bless.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Robert_325 View Post
      I appreciate the kind words and I don't take offense with anything you say. I do this as a form of making ammends for lots of the "not so good" things I have done in my life. This is a ministry for me. I try to help people when I am able. I owe society that much at least for just being me.

      You are right about the street drug thing. I doubt there are very many drugs of any kind I haven't done in excess at one time or another. Not bragging by any means, but we tend to place more value on someone's opinion who has been there for a long time.

      The thing about your suboxone problem is that first of all suboxone is a very low dose medication. By that I mean that we take it in a very small number of mg per dose. You said you went from 12mg to 4mg last Sunday. Think about that. You dropped the dose by 75% at one time. That is crazy. You should never do that, especially from a moderately high dose to a small dose. It's no wonder you got sick. For the last five days your body hasn't noticed the change in doses because the long half life has been keeping you from feeling it. Then after 4-5 days it has caught up with itself and you. I would have told you exactly what would happen if we had talked on Sunday. This is a classic example of what happens when we don't reduce the dose properly.

      You need to re-adjust your dose now. You dropped it by way too much. Tell me exactly how you are feeling and exactly what w/d symptoms you are experiencing. Do you have access to plenty of suboxone if I suggest to you that you increase your dose at this time? Or do you want me to make these suggestions to you at all? I don't ever want to get into someone else's space without them wanting me to do so. See this is what you should do, bump it up some, and then we can start you tapering back down again the right way.

      I have several good friends in and around Detroit. I have worked with all of them trying to help them get rid of their opiate dependencies as well. Detroit is one of the worst places in the country for drugs and violence as you know. It's a trip. Let me know if you want help getting the suboxone dosing down properly and getting off it entirely. God bless.

      Yes, I did think when I did it that it wouldnt work out....But I did it for a reason....Normally I take a full 8mg pill at 530am...Then usually around 5-6pm I take another half (4mg).....You see I wouldnt of dropped so low unless I had a reason....My doctor I go to has set little goals for me..One is to read the NA handbook...The other is to try to attend meetings....I dont want to go to meetings because I wouldnt feel right....So well the last time I went to see him Sept 18 I lied to him and told him I orderd the NA book online...It was a lil white lie because I inteded to actually order it as soon as I leave...he was aware that I didnt actually have it yet and that it was coming...But I waited until just last Sunday...and then I noticed I had only 14 8mg pills left...So I figured I need to order the book ASAP because I dont want to go see him and not have the book with me (he wants me to bring it)..I cant lie about having it because obviously he would ask me about it.....So I ordered it Sunday off of Amazon and I noticed the shipping said it wouldnt even be sent out until AT LEAST 7-11 days....So I was kinda screwed...So I figured I cant afford at any costs to run out of my Pills again....But I cant go see him because I will look like a liar and I dont want him to think im not serious about recovery because I AM....

      I cut the dose to 4mg a day and have done that from Monday until Friday...I didnt feel sick...But kind of just aggravated...emotional...Basically I felt that horrible dead feeling withdrawl gives you....So I started wondering more about when my book would come so I could make an appointment...I look online and it shows something I never noticed before...It says it wont be shipped out until AT LEAST Oct 20th-24th....and then you have to put in the days it would take to get here....So I was like no way I cant do this....I took another half around 2 hours ago....I feel much better now...Plus a great thing happened...I was calling around trying to see if stores had it but they told me I had to go to NA to get it...

      I went to yellowpages.com..I was able to find the 24hr hotline...I called and asked if they had the books at meetings...turned out they DO!...To my surpise..There was a meeting starting 10 minutes from when I made the call..A HALF MILE FROM MY HOUSE..talk about fate...So the lady told me I could go there and get the book....So I went...It baffled me...there was at LEAST 200 people there...But the anxiety hit me...When I was going there I was planning on actually staying for the meeting..But I got way too nervous...BUT I BOUGHT THE BOOK THERE...I feel so relived that I can go back to the doc without looking like some dick whop just going there to get some pills.......Heck on amazon I was gonna pay 13.98 for the paperback book.........They gave me the hardcover for 10 bucks....So I definatly made out....very nice to work out like that...

      Its not that I was considering you a junkie...Its just that what you saiud painted the picture of the men and women I see walking our streets all night doing anything to get a pack of blow....or a rock...and imagining one of them actually getting their lives toghether seems futile...its as if they do not care what so ever....So the fact you got sober is amazing in my eyes...But im not saying you where like them....Detroit is....the worst place in the US...It is number one for murders...if not every year...it is always in the top 3...Heck kinda off topic but in 1977..777 people where MURDERD here in just a year!!...Now it has lowered a lot to about 350-400 ppl a year....and %90 of it is drug related....I hear gunshots every other night......Sorry for getting off topic...Just last week a 4 month old baby was killed in a drive by.....This is hell out here man

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      • #93
        I have done NA for years. You said that you were supposed to buy the NA workbook. You said that you bought the hardcover book for $10. The workbook doesn't come in a hardcover edition. If you bought a hardcover book then you bought the basic text and not the workbook. That is a fact. The NA groups all have the books available for sale. They have the workbook, but its like an 8 x 11 size and gold/green and in a soft cover.

        I was never one of the homeless junkies walking the streets. But only because I always managed to make money even while I was addicted. Because I always made money I did not have to prostitute myself or rob businesses or anything like you think about with addicts. I always paid my bills and usually ended up paying for lots of those around me as well. I was always successful in business even while using.

        I totally agree with your dr about you attending meetings. I also agree that working the 12 steps from the workbook would be great for you. If you start going to meetings and get a sponsor you will start using that workbook working the steps. But for what my opinion is worth I KNOW that this would be beneficial to you if you would do it with the right attitude.

        If you want to get back on a proper dose and then work yourself down properly and get off the suboxone I can help you. Let me know. God bless.

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        • #94
          Well...I know he wanted me to get some NA book.....I cant remmeber if it was hand book, work book, basic text or whatever....But I do recall him saying its blue....The hardcover book I have is actually all black without the cover...the cover is completely blue.......Plus I also remember him saying when I got it that "You dont have to read the entire thing if you dont want to. The beginning part is mostly important and the 2nd half is peopls stories"...............and taking the look at this book that seems to be the layout....It is the NA 5th edition....it is broken into Book 1 and Book 2.....So im pretty sure I have the one he wanted me to get even if I was referring to it the correct way up there......Even if its not I cant imagine him not thinking a patient could benefit from studying this book as well because obviously it had a lot of stuff in it.

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          • #95
            DET Red09

            If he told you to get the blue one then you have the correct book. The basic text is the only one with a blue cover or any kind of blue on it. It is a great book. And the first part of the book is about the 12 Steps, the back half is personal stories. So I am sure that you purchased the right book.

            Take your time with it reading. Spend some time thinking about what you read. That book helped me a lot especially early in recovery. I still read out of it occasionally. I have no idea how many times I've read it in its entirety over the years. Don't make it like an assignment from the dr. Try to get some benefit out of it if you are going to invest your time reading it. And going back to the NA meeting itself would be a great idea.

            You wonder how a fried drug addict turned his life around and is now a Christian and a productive member of society ... it began with my first NA meeting and an open mind. That is the truth.
            Last edited by Anonymous; 10-11-2008, 05:30 PM.

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            • #96
              No it will not go away!!

              I hate to tell you, but this is just a side effect of opiate dependence. My boyfriend and I had a painkiller addiction and switched to Suboxone which is another opiate so really another addiction. When we were on Suboxone we never wanted to have sex. It is just one of those things. The best thing to do is if your husband is ready, he should start tapering off of the sub. The less a person takes, the less side effects. I am off Suboxone now and I will tell you it was tough, but not impossible.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by cjhaggard View Post
                I hate to tell you, but this is just a side effect of opiate dependence. My boyfriend and I had a painkiller addiction and switched to Suboxone which is another opiate so really another addiction. When we were on Suboxone we never wanted to have sex. It is just one of those things. The best thing to do is if your husband is ready, he should start tapering off of the sub. The less a person takes, the less side effects. I am off Suboxone now and I will tell you it was tough, but not impossible.



                What are you talking about? No one is discussing having sex here. No one even has a husband here. We are both guys. Are you on the correct thread??? I think you have replied in the wrong place to something else.

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                • #98
                  Sorry but those last two posts made me laugh for 5 min.
                  Still laughing. thanks for making my night...
                  Melinda...still laughing

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by melinda7.5 View Post
                    Sorry but those last two posts made me laugh for 5 min.
                    Still laughing. thanks for making my night...
                    Melinda...still laughing

                    Glad I could help. You know I always try to make you laugh whenever possible Melinda. Have a pleasant evening.

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                    • Well its still very true....Its almost impossible to get in the mood........

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                      • Originally posted by DET Red09 View Post
                        Well its still very true....Its almost impossible to get in the mood........



                        Yes it is but where did that post come from??? It just got thrown in there out of nowhere. Was kind of funny.

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                        • I Jumped Off You Can Too

                          Was addicted to oxycontin after surgery. went on Suboxone for 3 months but did not like it and wanted to get off. I was never a drug user which helps because I never have or had cravings. Tapered to .5 suboxone and jumped on Friday. Saturday was fine, Sunday started feeling badly, Monday was a terrible day. dr. gave me clonipin AND clonidine together and told me to take immodium get in bed and drink drink drink which I did. It is Wednesday afternoon and I am feeling so much better. Little queasy and still diarehea but eating soup only. Seriously by the weekend I will be fine and next weekend I think back to normal and i do not expect to have any PAWS. NOT everyone does. It has a lot to do w ith how much you are taking and how long you have been on it. For those of you who havenot been on itlong, get your doctor to taper you down to .5 and jump. I stayed at .5 for a month before I jumped. I am so excited to finally be clean. My surgeries were in March and April and I was in bed for months. Yeah!

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                          • Yeaaaaaaaaaa

                            Hi Walck
                            Girl I am so happy for you. you have done so well.
                            Sounds like your nightmare is over.
                            Now you can move on with your life.
                            Chalk up another one for ROBERT !!!
                            Talk to ya later,Melinda

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                            • Today is Thursday and I feel great. totally back to normal if I can remember even what that felt like. have no symptoms. I am not taking any drugs today. No need to be in a stupor. Going to get dressed and go out! it is over for me and I cannot believe it. part of it was having a most wonderful understanding doctor who really talked and listened to me. Good luck to everyone out there. geto ff when you can. You will feel so much better.

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                              • Originally posted by walck View Post
                                Today is Thursday and I feel great. totally back to normal if I can remember even what that felt like. have no symptoms. I am not taking any drugs today. No need to be in a stupor. Going to get dressed and go out! it is over for me and I cannot believe it. part of it was having a most wonderful understanding doctor who really talked and listened to me. Good luck to everyone out there. geto ff when you can. You will feel so much better.



                                You know that I am thrilled for you Carol. It's been a trying year for you with the surgery and such a long recovery period. You have had some challenging experiences over the last year and were certainly deserving of a decent break. I am happy for you and have enjoyed getting to know you as well. You've been a very positive person and I can't help but think that has had to have helped you through this process. Now you will be better able to enjoy all of those Broadway plays! Please stay in touch. God bless.
                                Last edited by Anonymous; 10-23-2008, 10:14 AM.

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