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  • #31
    i'm really trying to keep u straight Buck and hope u truly understand that. i failed so many times getting clean and know subs fairly well and what can happen if they are "messed" with a bit.

    u said u were taking the sub to "help u get thru bowling" and a "party" even if u didn't mean it exactly like that. what i was getting at is if u were "THINKING" that taking sub for those events could possibly help is addictive thinking and behavior and it has to stop at some point. subs just don't work like that.

    i mentioned the fact that it was commendable to go from 32 mgs to where u are now and i really meant that. but i also know from experience how tricky subs can be, especially at these lower doses. i just don't want u having problems at this very crucial time in the taper.

    hang in there Buck....i just really care is all and want u to be successful with this.

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    • #32
      Updated Dec. 18th...

      My taper so far....


      Before Dec 1st - 24-32ms/day
      Dec 2nd - 16mgs
      Dec 3rd - 16mgs
      Dec 4th - 16mgs
      Dec 5th - 4mgs
      Dec 6th - 4mgs
      Dec 7th - 4mgs
      Dec 8th - 4mgs
      Dec 9th - 4mgs
      Dec 10th - 2mgs
      Dec 11th - 2mgs
      Dec 12th - 2mgs
      Dec 13th - 2mgs
      Dec 14th - 1mg
      Dec 15th - 2mgs (rough day)
      Dec 16th - 1mg
      Dec 17th - 1mg
      Dec 18th - 1mg (today)


      #KickingTheSubInTheButt

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Kikker View Post
        i'm really trying to keep u straight Buck and hope u truly understand that. i failed so many times getting clean and know subs fairly well and what can happen if they are "messed" with a bit.

        u said u were taking the sub to "help u get thru bowling" and a "party" even if u didn't mean it exactly like that. what i was getting at is if u were "THINKING" that taking sub for those events could possibly help is addictive thinking and behavior and it has to stop at some point. subs just don't work like that.

        i mentioned the fact that it was commendable to go from 32 mgs to where u are now and i really meant that. but i also know from experience how tricky subs can be, especially at these lower doses. i just don't want u having problems at this very crucial time in the taper.

        hang in there Buck....i just really care is all and want u to be successful with this.
        I really appreciate that Kikk..

        I'm sticking at 1mg for probably only 1 more day, then I'm going try to drop to .67 because I have some 2's that I'm going to cut into 3 pieces...

        If I don't feel 100% comfortable after tomorrow, I'll cut the 8's down and drop to .75mgs, which would be a 25% reduction...


        Thanks for the support....

        Keep it coming..


        -Buck


        I've taken all of ya'lls advise and I've slowed my role.....I tapered rapidly at 1st because I had so much Sub stored up in my body, it was carrying me through the first 7-10 days....I'm glad I did that too, because I have much less Sub half-life in my system today than I would've if I dropped at a slower rate...


        Also, forgot to mention...I can't post on Sundays and Mondays because I'm off work on those 2 days this time of year and since I'm hidding this Sub usage from everybody, I don't want to be filling my home computer and iPad with Drugs.com addresses (no offense)...
        Last edited by Anonymous; 12-18-2012, 10:44 AM. Reason: add

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        • #34
          Having trouble shaking the cobwebs this morning but I did sleep well...


          Just sneezed 5X in a row...

          #Orgasmic

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          • #35
            I took my 1mg dose at about 10;00 and I feel pretty good today...

            I was planing on waiting 1 more day before I made my next drop to let my body adjust a bit more from being a 32mg/day user, but I might do it tomorrow if I'm feeling strong and confident in the early day..

            If not, I'm definetly dropping on Friday. I'm planning on dropping to .67mgs, as I've already prepared a 8mg strip by cutting down to 12 equal parts of .67 each...

            That's a bit more than a 25% drop, but my body has responded well so far with my drops so I'm going to give it a try...

            The plan from there is to .50, then .33, then .25 and possibly start the thoughts of a jump..

            Havn't ruled out going down to .125 and jumping, or skipping days...

            I'll keep ya'll posted. Thanks for the support and wish me luck...

            -Buck

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            • #36
              well it seems to be working ok for u Buck. the goal right now at the low doses is to listen to ur body and go from there. u will know when it's time to reduce to the next dose. just don't get in a hurry.

              yes, get down to .25 mg before u jump or skip. i have tried ot both ways and for me skipping seemd to be the lesser of any symptoms, but u can of course do it either way.

              if u do decide to go lower than .25 it's certainly to ur advantage to do so. the lower u go the better it will be...

              u have the very best thing going for u in the positive mind. that alone will take u a long ways.

              ur getting there Buck....keep it rockin.....

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Kikker View Post
                well it seems to be working ok for u Buck. the goal right now at the low doses is to listen to ur body and go from there. u will know when it's time to reduce to the next dose. just don't get in a hurry.

                yes, get down to .25 mg before u jump or skip. i have tried ot both ways and for me skipping seemd to be the lesser of any symptoms, but u can of course do it either way.

                if u do decide to go lower than .25 it's certainly to ur advantage to do so. the lower u go the better it will be...

                u have the very best thing going for u in the positive mind. that alone will take u a long ways.

                ur getting there Buck....keep it rockin.....
                Hey bro...

                I really want to thank you for helping me understand taht I was not going to be able to realistically taper down by Christmas and simply move on with my life (without misery)...

                I was really kickin butt in the early taper because of all of the Sub that I had built up in my system, but as the taper evolved, it started to catch up with me....

                I would highly recomend to others to taper more than 25% in the early going if they are 100% committed to quitting as I am, because you already have so much un-necessary Sub built up in your system that there is no real reason to take more than what's neede, therefor ultimetly building up even more half-life in your system...

                I'm sooo happy that I reduced to 4mgs/day as quickly as I did instead of wasting a month of 27mgs/day, 20mgs/day, to 15mgs/day, to 11.25mgs/day, to 8.5mgs/day, to 6mgs/day, to 4.5mgs/day, etc..

                This is a way to eliminate a month of the taper without putting yourself through ANY withdrawals (for me) and I have put myself in a position now where I'm down to 1mg per day already, and will potentially down to .67mgs/day by Friday at the latest..

                Thank you for helping me understand what I was up against and to help preparring me mentally....

                If I stay on about a 25% drop rate from here on out for 4-5 days, and go down to .125mgs per day before jumping, will I have little to no WDs when I make the jump in yout opinion/expierience?

                Thanks Kikk...


                -Buck

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Buckeye13 View Post

                  If I stay on about a 25% drop rate from here on out for 4-5 days, and go down to .125mgs per day before jumping, will I have little to no WDs when I make the jump in yout opinion/expierience?

                  Thanks Kikk...


                  -Buck
                  thank u for the very kind words....i'm glad u understood that i have ur best interest in mind with my posts, and want u to be successful with the sub taper.

                  i had a feeling u were going to ask, and that's a really tough question to answer Buck.

                  as u have probably heard here many times, everyone is different and that is sooo true. each time can be different as well. i used subs a few times and each time was a little different for me as far as symptoms are concerned at the end of the taper.

                  ur case and time on subs has been highly irregular. u were on extremely high doses and tapered very fast and with very large reductions. u got away with it, but another person may not have such good fortune. i do agree that if a person is at a very high dose (as in 24-32 mgs) they could taper down by more than 25% in the beginning.

                  it usually comes down to how much of the half life remains in the system as to how easy/difficult any withdrawals will, or will not be.

                  here is my personal opinion in ur case........
                  with the amt u have taken since the 2nd of Dec. (about 80+ mgs and lots more before the 2nd) i still believe u have lots of sub build-up in ur system that has to yet come out. but just as u have tolerated it to this point, u may not have any problems. it's soooo difficult to know at this time.

                  i would prefer to say, just "wait and see" what happens. then we can deal with any issues at that time if they do exist. u may after all, just fly right thru it as u have thus far and with ur attitude have no issues at all.

                  sorry to be so vague, but it is really a difficult question to answer right now. hope u understand. just take ur time and like i said before listen to ur body and go from there.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Kikker View Post
                    thank u for the very kind words....i'm glad u understood that i have ur best interest in mind with my posts, and want u to be successful with the sub taper.

                    i had a feeling u were going to ask, and that's a really tough question to answer Buck.

                    as u have probably heard here many times, everyone is different and that is sooo true. each time can be different as well. i used subs a few times and each time was a little different for me as far as symptoms are concerned at the end of the taper.

                    ur case and time on subs has been highly irregular. u were on extremely high doses and tapered very fast and with very large reductions. u got away with it, but another person may not have such good fortune. i do agree that if a person is at a very high dose (as in 24-32 mgs) they could taper down by more than 25% in the beginning.

                    it usually comes down to how much of the half life remains in the system as to how easy/difficult any withdrawals will, or will not be.

                    here is my personal opinion in ur case........
                    with the amt u have taken since the 2nd of Dec. (about 80+ mgs and lots more before the 2nd) i still believe u have lots of sub build-up in ur system that has to yet come out. but just as u have tolerated it to this point, u may not have any problems. it's soooo difficult to know at this time.

                    i would prefer to say, just "wait and see" what happens. then we can deal with any issues at that time if they do exist. u may after all, just fly right thru it as u have thus far and with ur attitude have no issues at all.

                    sorry to be so vague, but it is really a difficult question to answer right now. hope u understand. just take ur time and like i said before listen to ur body and go from there.
                    Makes a lot of sense to me...Hard to gauge how somebody else feels mentally and physically...

                    Although I have taken 80+ mgs since Dec. 2nd, that number is skewed a bit because I have only taken 34 mgs since the 5th, which is 2 weeks+ from today....

                    The drop from 16mgs to 4mgs will help me in the longrun IMO, but we will see...

                    I am open to staying at 1mg, or even at .67mgs for a little longer stretch than 4 days now at this point in the process, but not if it's not necessary...

                    At this point, there's a very fine line between being "stable" at a dose and being "content" and staying put because it's confortable...

                    I'm going to try my best to keep from being content, because IMO if I'm comfortable at a dose, it's time to reduce...

                    I was "comfortable" at 32mgs, but that's not why I'm here...

                    I'll keep you posted and thanks for the advise...


                    -Buck

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                    • #40
                      Feeling pretty good today...


                      This is supposed to be my last day at 1mg, but I took .67mg this morning and so far I feel pretty good...

                      If I'm having a rough evening tonight, I'm going to take .33mgs and then start the drop tomorrow..

                      What I'm planning to do on my final stable dose day before every drop is split the dose to twice a day, taking the next drop amount (.67 in this case) in the early day, and then taking the remaining of my scheduled pre-drop dose (.33) later that evening to help to transition to the next step..

                      Tomorrow it will only be the .67mg dose total (1X) but I'm hoping by taking a small .33mg dose later in the day today it will help me transition into and smaller dose tomorrow...

                      Make sense?

                      It also gives me an opportunity to see how my body will feel with my drop as that's what I'll be taking in the morning the day before the drops...

                      If this doesn't make any sense to anybody, I'm sorry...but has anybody out there tried this tactic to attempt to minimize the effects of the drop?

                      A little dosing creativiyty shouldn't hurt anything right...

                      -Buck

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                      • #41
                        in ur case Buck i say whatever works for u is best. lol. u have done it ur way to this point and it has worked for u and that is great. i really mean that too. i would have done it differently and suggested that to u, but i always say it's what works best for the person involved. i'm happy u have succeeded to this point and hopefully it will be good til the end of the taper.

                        in the times i took sub if it was over 1 mg then i split the dose and took it between 6-10 am and then again between 4-6 pm, or about 8 hrs apart. under 1 mg i took only one dose and a time around noon usually worked best for ME. so that is what i suggest to everyone, but again, it's what works best for u.

                        subs keep some ppl awake if they take it too late in the evening, and it makes some ppl sleepy so they take it later. hard to figure sometimes as everyone really is different as u know. u've got a firm hand on it now and know what to do so there should be no problems.

                        just don't get too technical and mess around with the sub too much cause that's when it can jump up and bite u. it is a very powerful drug and a little bit goes a long ways. those tiny pieces like .25 mg and under seem like they wouldn't matter so much but just the opposite is true, they make a huge difference.

                        keep going and if something comes up let me know. u've got my full support. have a great day!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Kikker View Post
                          in ur case Buck i say whatever works for u is best. lol. u have done it ur way to this point and it has worked for u and that is great. i really mean that too. i would have done it differently and suggested that to u, but i always say it's what works best for the person involved. i'm happy u have succeeded to this point and hopefully it will be good til the end of the taper.

                          in the times i took sub if it was over 1 mg then i split the dose and took it between 6-10 am and then again between 4-6 pm, or about 8 hrs apart. under 1 mg i took only one dose and a time around noon usually worked best for ME. so that is what i suggest to everyone, but again, it's what works best for u.

                          subs keep some ppl awake if they take it too late in the evening, and it makes some ppl sleepy so they take it later. hard to figure sometimes as everyone really is different as u know. u've got a firm hand on it now and know what to do so there should be no problems.

                          just don't get too technical and mess around with the sub too much cause that's when it can jump up and bite u. it is a very powerful drug and a little bit goes a long ways. those tiny pieces like .25 mg and under seem like they wouldn't matter so much but just the opposite is true, they make a huge difference.

                          keep going and if something comes up let me know. u've got my full support. have a great day!
                          Awesome post bro...

                          -

                          When I close the shop down here on Saturday at 1:00, I won't be back to work until Weds Jan. 2nd (10 days) so I won't be able to post as much, or maybe even at all, as I am doing this all secretly from the household that I live...

                          In other words, if you don't see me on here for a week or so, don't just assume that I've taken steps back, or given up.....Not happenning...


                          Hopefully when I get back to work on the 2nd I'll be at .25mgs or less, or done completely....time will tell...

                          I can't believe that I it's almost 3:00 and I've only taken .67mgs today....


                          -Buck


                          #StraightKickinThis

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                          • #43
                            ok, good enough....i'll wait to hear back from u.

                            u are living proof of what a POSITIVE ATTITUDE can achieve!

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                            • #44
                              Question:


                              Does anybody know how long it takes an entire dose to leave 100% your system?

                              I'm thinking it's close to 30 days depending on each person..

                              In other words, about 30 days in to my taper I should hopefully feel a little better due to the fact of the extremely high doses that I was taking just 18-19 days ago...


                              It only makes sense to me that the more Sub that leaves my body, the less my body will start to depnd on it...

                              Anybody know?

                              -Buck

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                              • #45
                                yeah, i posted it to u Buck in post #8 on this thread...

                                it depends on what the dose is and what the half life ends up being for that particular person. subs have a half life UP TO 72 hrs and possibly longer. it depends on the persons metabolism, physical condition, fluid intake/output, and other factors as to just how long the half life is.

                                but just for example:
                                take a single 4 mg dose, and the half life being 72 hrs or 3 days time:

                                4.0 mg (-72 hrs) = 2.0 mg
                                2.0 mg (-72 hrs) = 1.0 mg
                                1.0 mg (-72 hrs) = .50 mg
                                .50 mg (-72 hrs) = .25 mg
                                .25 mg (-72 hrs) = .12 mg (actually .125 mg)
                                .12 mg (-72 hrs) = .06 mg
                                .06 mg (-72 hrs) = .03 mg
                                .03 mg (-72 hrs) = .015 mg
                                leaves a tiny bit left to eliminate
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                                total: about 24 -30 days to completely eliminate 4 mg of sub IF the half life is indeed 72 hrs or 3 days time...

                                half life means: in a given amt of time HALF the drug leaves the system and HALF remains.

                                this is NOT an exact science and can vary one way or the other greatly for anyone....

                                if the person continues to take more sub (as most everyone does on sub therapy) it can build up in the system and it is nearly impossible to figure exactly how much sub is in a persons system at any given time.

                                it's also possible that the half life could be 36 hrs for someone, or 24 hrs, and even 12 hrs or less as everyone is really different in the way the drugs metabolize depending on several factors.

                                and the body can react without sub being present in the form of withdrawal symptoms.

                                this is why it's strongly suggested that a sub therapy program is as short as personally needed, and the dose is at the lowest possible mgs.

                                this is my opinion anyway.

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