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  • #16
    I had my partner dose me to come off suboxone slowly. I was taking 16mg a day and got to 1mg a day. Then 1mg every other day. Find someone you can trust who won't cave to your demands of needing more. Yes, it sucks. But it is far better withdrawal than narcs! I used to take 400mg Percs a day. I lived overseas and they were sold OTC. My liver began to fail and I moved back home. I'm on day 5 of no subs nd feel anxious and my legs ache. But nothing in comparison to opiate withdrawal. You have to taper slowly. I didn't tell my doc I was tapering because I have no insurance and at $9.00 a strip, I would be broke. I started with 1 strip a day for 3 weeks, then 1/3 a strip for 2 weeks. It wasn't until I hit 1/4 a strip I started aching. I stuck with it for about a month and was okay to go down to 1/8. Your body will let you know when you're ready to reduce. If you're serious about getting off of these, this does work. I was on subs for 2 years after a 6 year addiction and many rehab stints. Take plenty of vitamin B complex and vitamin D. There's also Bali Kratum, but I would look into this if I were you. I take it and it works, but I only use it when I need. While it is addictive, it is only so if its abused or used long term. It has calmed me down and after 10 minutes od taking it, I have no leg pain and can function. I'm not recommending it, just saying it works for me. This being said, I'm a teacher and cannot miss work, so I had no choice. I take about 9g a day (3G at a time) but only needed 1.5G this morning! So I figure I will be done with it by the 10th day? Also, walk A LOT. Even if you have to drag yourself out of bed with ringing ears.....exersize is your friend!

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    • #17
      Suckerpunch I have the films

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      • #18
        Harry

        There are some youtube videos that show you how to cut the strips. Or google images, there is an image of the various sizes and a coin next to them for size reference. I would post links but they would get deleted.

        In terms if being exact, it's almost impossible when you get to such low doses, just round up slightly if you need to. Also, use a toothpick to place the tiny pieces under your tongue. That way you know you got it in the right place and it won't get stuck to your teeth.

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        • #19
          Thanks shark!

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          • #20
            harry I don't know if you dropped to 1.12 now or stoll on 1.5. if you haven't dropped yet to make things simple you might just want to try 1.25 to make things simple. Then you could go to .1 and then .75. Little less then 25% drops but there drops and that's whats most important. Just mentioned this as you might want to consider it to make things a little simpler. If you go to 1.125 then drop 25% that would take you to .84 and lol how would you try to figure to get to .84. Just a though for you an by the way your doing a great job so far. Talk with you later

            Alex

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            • #21
              Hi Harry, how's the taper going? Post when you get a chance.

              Hope you had a good weekend.
              Katherine

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              • #22
                Hi guys,

                Alex I would have loved to do what you suggested but unfortunately (or fortunately) I only have about 2 8mg strips left to taper off of. I don't have much to spare so I'm forced to keep moving forward.

                Today I dropped to .75 and only dosing once a day now. It's a little bit more then 25% but I feel good so far. I had a real tough time getting past the first week but now I feel much better. The taper has gone much better than expected but I know my work is far from done. Everyone seems to agree that once you get to real low doses that that's when you start feeling it. I kind of freaked myself out today but it passed as I got my day going.

                I keep waiting for the "uh oh" moment as I taper but it has yet to come. But don't worry I'm not getting comfortable...I know I must remain vigilant.

                As each day passes my confidence seems to get a little bit more stronger. Then fact that I haven't used in 17 days now is pretty cool. Yeah yeah I know I'm on subs but I am not engaging in addict behaviour anymore. To me that's huge. There's still much work to be done.

                Katherine, i read your recent posts and I'm sorry to hear about your series of unfortunate events. But it's just a minor setback! Keep your eyes on the prize Katherine...I am rooting for you!!!

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                • #23
                  Ok I definitely jumped the gun last night. Today is my second day on .75 and I most definitely feel this drop. Feeling minor wd symptoms like clammy hands, achey bones etc. The anxiety is the problem though.

                  I got cocky but quickly got humbled. Am I supposed to live in fear? I keep flirting with the idea of using. I hope this feeling of self doubt passes.

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                  • #24
                    Hi guys

                    I'm lying in bed right now unable to sleep working myself up. Starting to feel some minor restless legs and my heart is beating out of my chest.

                    I just reread my post from the other day and I'm shaking my head at my arrogance. I didn't think me dropping a tiny bit more than 25% would do anything but boy was I wrong.

                    Am I freaking myself out here? I'm going on to my third day on .75 so should I just ride this out? Throughout this whole taper I never once used a little extra sliver but I'm considering doing so now but I REALLY don't want to. If this is just me stabilizing then I'll grit my teeth and bare it like I did when I first started. Everyone seems to agree that when your near the end of the taper that that's when you feel it most. I'm on my 19th day and down to .75 mg...maybe I went too fast? But please keep in mind I have 2 8mg strips left.

                    Steph or Alex if you are reading this any advice would be greatly appreciated.

                    Sorry if this sounds like rambling I'm typing this from my phone.

                    Much love

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Harry Spotter View Post
                      Hi guys

                      I'm lying in bed right now unable to sleep working myself up. Starting to feel some minor restless legs and my heart is beating out of my chest.

                      I just reread my post from the other day and I'm shaking my head at my arrogance. I didn't think me dropping a tiny bit more than 25% would do anything but boy was I wrong.

                      Am I freaking myself out here? I'm going on to my third day on .75 so should I just ride this out? Throughout this whole taper I never once used a little extra sliver but I'm considering doing so now but I REALLY don't want to. If this is just me stabilizing then I'll grit my teeth and bare it like I did when I first started. Everyone seems to agree that when your near the end of the taper that that's when you feel it most. I'm on my 19th day and down to .75 mg...maybe I went too fast? But please keep in mind I have 2 8mg strips left.

                      Steph or Alex if you are reading this any advice would be greatly appreciated.

                      Sorry if this sounds like rambling I'm typing this from my phone.

                      Much love
                      Hey Harry,

                      Sorry you're feeling badly. Yes, that huge drop is a problem. You were at 1.5 mg before right? You should have gone to 1.25 instead, then 1, then .75. You made a 50% drop.

                      I know it's difficult since you only have 2 strips left. Can you get another a couple more? This taper is best done slowly and with only 25% drops at a time. My advice would be to at least go back up to 1 mg or 1.25 mg until you're stable. Everyone who makes drops bigger than 25% almost always experience problems.

                      I feel for you, I really do. I noticed you're offline now. Hopefully Alex will weigh in as well tonight. Hang in there and take a sliver if that's all you can afford since you only have 2 strips left.

                      I'm pulling for you!
                      Katherine

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                      • #26
                        Harry did you go from 1.125 to .75? If you did that was a pretty good drop of almost 35%. Im sorry your having a rough time with the drop and Maybe you might try adding a .125 piece to your .75. That would put you at .875 which is what would be close to a 25% drop from 1.125. With 2 8 mg strips left you could do this and stay there for 3 or 4 days then drop from .875 to .66 which would get you back on track with 25 % drops. You could try to ride out the .75 doses Harry but I would like you to get stable now befor any more drops. Worried that it might make you to uncomfortable and end up causing problems soon. With 16 mg you should have enough to taper off if you increase to .875 and stay there 3 or 4 days then drop to .66. It would put you right back on schedule Harry and at this late point you want as little of discomfort as possible to get thru this ok. Harry a lot of this becomes mental now your mind can at this point become your worst enemy. This is just my opinion Harry but if it were me I think I would try going to .875 and take it from there. Im doing the math real quick Harry and does it look like to you that you have enough to taper down with what im suggesting Harry? I only want what I think will work best for you harry so what do you think of my suggestion Harry?
                        You could dose at .875 for 4 days then drop 25% rest of the way on a 5 day schedule and have just enough to taper off. Best of luck Harry and know that im a rooting for you to get thru this.

                        Alex

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                        • #27
                          Katherine and Alex I was on 1.125 not 1.5!!! That would have been an insane drop, heh. So because i went to .75 I'm only not taking about .1 since I should be on .85ish. Can a .1 difference really make this big an impact?

                          Btw Alex I just double checked the math and it seems like with 16mg I should have plenty to do it your way. I just took the smallest piece possible and tommorow I will take .875. But these doses are so low that it's going to be a 0.1mg or 0.2mg off always (human error when cutting strips) so I have to learn to deal with this I guess.

                          Ive had problems sleeping my entire life but it's impossible to sleep for me right now. I'm sure a most of this is mental.

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                          • #28
                            Oh, my bad, I thought you were on 1.5 mg before. Sorry.

                            How are you feeling today? Did you take a sliver.. did it help?

                            Have you tried Valerian or Melatonin for sleep? Also, Hyland's Restful Leg works really well.
                            Last edited by Anonymous; 11-05-2013, 11:02 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Hi Katherine, I took the smallest sliver possible last night and I think it helped a little. I woke up this morning sneezing rapidly and with my legs achey but was fine after taking my dose.

                              I have tried every sleeping medicine on the planet. The natural stuff like melatonin and valerian root does absolutely nothing for me now. I never tried hylands though so I'll deff check that out.

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                              • #30
                                3 weeks on subs down to .75

                                I have not gotten high for 21 days now. I didn't think I would have lasted 3 days without smoking or snorting something yet here I am with the finish line in sight. But a small part of me misses it. After work today I started fantasising about drugs. Once I got home I literally sat in my car and flirted with the idea of going out to cop...I wasn't going to but I let my mind wander on the idea for a bit. Like some perverse form of pleasure.

                                You guys were right. It's majority mind games at this point and I'm trying to equip myself to be prepared. Last night I went to the nearest na meeting and I walked out 15 minutes early. 80% of the people there were young, almost all of them in their twenties (as am I) and I really didn't find it helpful. In fact I found it toxic. The chair person did a spectacular job and his story was very insightful but when it came time to open up the floor to people to share, it was like they were romantasizing their past drug use, like they made a huge mistake getting clean. The older people there were pretty much just showing off to the younger guys about how much they effed up and how much they used. I don't know...maybe I'm the problem.

                                I'm desperate to get and stay clean. Il go find another meeting and I hope it's more productive. Like artist said drug addiction is a progressive disease. I can't just sit around and count the days I have to stand up and fight it. I'm scared. I still don't know what my place is in this world, where I fit in, where I can leave my mark. All I know is that I have to beat this now.

                                End of rant

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