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  • #16
    How are you doing today?

    When you are done it will feel great to call your doc up and tell him you are done.

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    • #17
      I'm doing pretty good. I dropped down to 8 mg and I really can't tell except I don't feel as achy today. Is that a side effect of subs?

      So I stay on the 8 mg for the next 4 day?

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      • #18
        A lot of people feel better on lower doses, it's weird but less is definitely more with subs. I remember feeling much better as I got to lower doses, less foggy and more alert. Its possible you will be the same way.

        Yes, stay at 8 mg for at least 4 days, your next drop would be to 6mg.

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        • #19
          Hi brandnew my name is Alex and I used subs for 4 months to get off of opiates. Im glad to see you came across this site and have spared yourself of being on a high dose of subs for a long period of time. I see where you have dropped to 8 mg from 16 mg and while that is a big drop % wise since you were only on 16 mg about 10 days 8 mg should do the trick IMO. I see where you have read the taper plan and have received good advise from SS, Katherine and Steph. After 4 days at 8 mg see how you are feeling and if you feel stable then you can drop to 6mg. Don't worry if you need more then 4 days at 8 mg as the 4 day schedule is not written in stone. This is just purely a guess on my part but since you were on 16 mg for 10 days and reduced by 50% you have a lot of subs stacked up in your system right now so its hard to guess if you will be fine to drop after 4 days at 8 mg. You mentioned seeing the doctor every 2 weeks so next visit I would not let him know you are tapering. Just go along with him and continue tapering and you wont have to see him much more. I was prescribed 16 mg a day like you and dropped to 12 mg on day 4. Got stuck there for a couple of weeks because I knew you could taper off but wasn't aware of the taper plan on this site till after I had been on subs for a good month. I never told my Dr I was tapering but 5 weeks to the day I walked in the clinic was my last visit there. I knew I had more then enough subs to taper off with and was so glad I didn't have to return there. My Dr there was a nice lady and I more or less tried to get as much subs as possible when I first went there as I had read on another site to get as much as I could and build up a stash. But my councelor there 4 or 5 days befor my last visit there had told me when I asked about how long they would probably keep me on subs told me probably at least a year and then they would evaluate how I was doing. After my last visit there I just wrote a letter to them in care of my counselor and told them they could give my spot to someone on the waiting list. If you have a jerk as a DR then you might consider when you have enough where you don't have to go back again to say thanks for my final script azzhole I don't need you anymore lol. Anyway my very best wishes to you on your taper and keep posting as you will find it helpful to post as there are several members here who can give you suggestions and support. Talk to you later.

          Alex

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          • #20
            Hi Alex. Thank you for posting that information. I'm on day 2 of 8 mgs and I honestly can't tell the difference between the 16 mg and 8 mg dose. This is a weird med but I'm trusting the members here who have real world experience with this. I don't trust the PA I'm seeing because he didn't tell me 1/3 of what I read on here. I can tell he has a real disdain for addicts but I don't really care if he likes me personally I just want the med. I don't plan on telling him anything. I will follow his instructions except for the quantity of subs he wants me to take lol. I'm looking forward to telling him "thanks for the compassion but I no longer need your services". Ok back to more important stuff, I wrote out my taper plan and the numbers got to be really small so I'm wondering if I figured this out incorrectly. Here's what I have:
            Start 8mg on 10/27 end 10/30
            6 mg start 10/31
            4.5 mg start 11/4
            3.375 mg start 11/8
            2.531 mg start 11/12
            1.898 mg start 11/16
            1.424 mg start 11/20
            1.068 mg start 11/24
            .801 mg start 11/28
            .601 mg start 12/2
            .451 mg start 12/6

            And it keeps getting smaller and smaller.... is this correct? I understand that I might need longer between drops (I hope not) so the dates may be off. How on earth do I figure that out on the film to cut it? Would the body even feel such a small quantity of subs? I want to taper as low as I can before jumping off to get long term success. I would love to be off everything by Christmas. I hope my questions make sense. Thanks in advance for any and all help.
            Last edited by Anonymous; 10-28-2013, 11:17 PM.

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            • #21
              Here is a YouTube video I found that shows how to cut your films. There's a link where you can buy the guide to download and print for like $5. I haven't bought it yet but probably will when my doses get that small.

              http://youtu.be/D6nj_KNGMiY

              In my experience, I don't "feel" when I take it, but I definitely feel when I don't... The reason people taper that low is to have the least amount to be withdrawing from. Like, for example if you were to just stop taking them today, by Wednesday or Thursday you'd probably be so sick and wanting to curl up and die. But tapering down allows your body to get used to smaller and smaller amounts, so by the time you're down to a tenth of a mg and skipping days, the withdrawals aren't so bad that they'll keep you stuck.

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              • #22
                Thanks SS that makes sense. So if I want the least amount of w/d agony I need to pump my brakes and go thru the steps. I guess I need to realize I didn't get in this mess overnight and I won't get out overnight. If you don't mind, how long did you taper?

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                • #23
                  You're exactly right, you can't rush thru this! Nobody can! From all I've read here, that seems to be the thing that gets people in trouble the most--- trying to rush full speed thru this, and/or dropping too low (more than 25%). They are so eager to get clean that they don't take their time with this, and they usually end up feeling so bad from withdrawal that they either go back on suboxone or relapse with their drug of choice.

                  If you stick to the plan and give yourself at least 4 days at each increment, dropping no more than 25% (which is one quarter), only when you're stable, you will be giving your brain and body ample time to get used to the lower doses, and this will minimize your symptoms. Thus, you'll be able to go about your life, and ideally, work on your recovery so that once off the subs, you'll learn how to deal with life without opiates.


                  You and I have a lot of common ground it seems. I am a mother of 2 and will be 33 on wednesday. I went to college (tho I didn't finish my degree), and didn't do drugs in high school. I came from a good family who (at least as far as I know of), didn't produce any addicts but me. So it was equally perplexing (to me) and shocking (to everyone else), when they found out the situation I was in.

                  The thing about addiction, is that it doesn't discriminate. It doesn't care if you're an upper middle class "Stepford Wife", or a homeless teen from the inner city. Once it takes hold, we're all in for the same ride. Sure the scenery may vary, but the fallout is always the same. You may not realize this right now, but what you're doing by putting in the time and effort to get off this stuff the Right way, is saving your life. You're so lucky that you are able to recognize the road you're headed down now, before addiction cost you your home, your family, your finances, and your freedom.

                  As for me, my taper is currently in progress, so I'll be here going thru this with you. I have been on subs for over 3 years, and last month I somehow found this site. The things I read here were a wake up call, so in a rare moment of clarity I decided to register, post, and begin a taper. I was taking between 8 and 12mg daily, altho some days I took 16. So on September 20th I began at 10mg per day. I'm down to 6 now, but less than 2 weeks ago I was at 4.5. I need to explain that for some reason I am very extremely psychologically dependent on this med, so emotional turmoil and stress is a huge trigger that makes me reach for more (altho it doesn't help one bit!). Well, things at home got crazy and all came to a head, and there was a weekend where I took more than I should. So that's why I'm back to 6, to try to get stronger emotionally so that the next huge stressful whatever doesn't mess my taper up again.

                  People who have been on subs for a long time usually take longer to taper than those who just started on it. But the plan is still the same, no more than 25% drops every 4 days or however long it takes to get stable. I've been staying at each dose for about a week, and sometimes I drop less than 25%. The trick is to take the time to make sure you're stable, while also not getting complacent or "stuck" on a dose. It's kind of a balancing act, but I found that this site & the amazing people here are great about keeping my eyes on the prize so to speak. I have a thread that chronicles my whole taper thus far. It's called "11 years of numb" if you're interested.

                  I do want to tell you that this whole time, physical symptoms have never been an issue for me. There were a few things I've noticed but I am certain they were either psychosomatic, or a result from me messing up and reaching for more when I felt out of control. It helps to keep in mind that especially early in the game, anything you may experience is probably mostly in your mind. Taking your mind away from those thoughts, therefore, is key.


                  So just stick to this and be patient. You're absolutely right--- you didn't get in this situation overnight, so you're not gonna be able to get over it instantly either. Take your time & be patient, and post here often. About anything at all, and soon not only will you be clean and off subs, but you'll have your thread to look back on and see your journey every step of the way. Writing about it helps immensely, but also you'll be showing others in your shoes that there is a way out of addiction-- you'll be living proof of it!

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                  • #24
                    brandnew i was looking over your schedule and on some of those doses what most do is just round out some of the numbers as it is impossible to get to some numbers completely accurate. Don't worry about it for the moment as there will be other members posting to you and helping you out along the way. You asked would the body even feel such small numbers toward the end and the answer is yes. Most here go down to .25 befor jumping and some go even further. I see where you would like to be off by Christmas but do not at any time during your taper rush things because you want to be off by Christmas. I know that's a nice thought being completely clean when you awake Christmas morning and perhaps you will be able to. But don't during your taper rush things at any time because it can backfire on you and mess your whole taper up. Keep posting daily and i will talk to you later.

                    Alex

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                    • #25
                      I'm glad Alex chimed in. Your doses look about right, but as Alex said its tough to get that accurate. I don't know how comfortable you are with excel, but I created a schedule in excel. You can make it do the math for you and then round up. I created a schedule for hubby with 20% drops in one of his tapers and he did really well.

                      I know we all sound like a broken record, but try not to think too much about deadlines. This is something that you will have to just go with it. There is no hard and fast timeline. Also, remember that you didn't get here overnight. It takes time to heal.

                      Focus on getting through the next 3 days at 6mg.

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                      • #26
                        brandnew like Sharksfan replied to you it does take time to heal. I looked back at my taper buddy Harry Smooth and checked out his thread form when we were tapering late last year. He inducted at 4 mg and pretty much followed the 4 day drop schedule and it took him just a little over 2 months to get off subs completely. So not to be negative in any way here but getting off by Christmas will be very difficult. Its not a race to get to the finish line its getting to the finish line. Also there might be at certain points along the taper that you might need an extra day at a certain dose befor dropping. The less discomfort while tapering the better the odds are of getting clean is the way i have always looked at it. Will talk to you later.

                        Alex
                        Last edited by Anonymous; 10-28-2013, 11:17 PM.

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                        • #27
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                          Last edited by Anonymous; 10-28-2013, 11:13 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Its your thread so rant away all you want. Its good therapy.

                            Alex
                            Last edited by Anonymous; 10-28-2013, 11:13 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Thanks Alex and Sharks, getting off by Christmas was just a really nice thought but nothing I have my heart set on. I've learned that I need to limit myself somewhat on how much of the forums I read. There are lots and lots and lots of horror stories of people getting stuck on subs for years and years. I was actually feeling pretty grateful for the subs until I started reading then I started to get sick that I made a mistake by getting on them. Right at this moment though I'm just feeling grateful that there's something out there to stop the terrible w/d symptoms that terrify me. I want to take only what my body needs to heal from the damage of the past 2 years. I have no need to rush the process....I only felt that way because of what I was reading. On a different website it said if you get off subs before 6 months you won't get addicted; another said if you get off before a year; and another said if you get off before 1 month.... That's why I'm going to limit my reading and trust the info from people going thru the same journey as me.

                              Thanks for caring enough to tell me to be patient and work the process without rushing. I appreciate that you care about an imperfect stranger. Do ya'll say names around here? If so mine is Sasha.

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                              • #30
                                Sasha the horror stories you read are usually from people who were on subs for long periods of time and at huge amounts. Also from people who quit taking subs at to high of a dose. Subs are a great detox tool but no good as a maintenance drug. If you taper down properly you will ok. I was on subs for 4 months and didn't know about the taper plan on here till after about a month. I did a lot of my drops on a 6 day schedule but a few on 4 or 5 days. I never once felt any of my drops. I went all the way down to around .18 befor i jumped and had very minimal symptoms when i jumped. There are thousands of people who have used the taper plan here and got clean. Its getting late now but tomorrow i will tell you some supplement i used along the way while i was tapering that you might want to consider taking. Will talk to you later and trust me you will be ok. You discovered the forum here early on and that is a blessing in itself as you have spared yourself of getting stuck on a ridiculous high dose. Ive been subfree for over 10 months and im 58 and abused myself with alcohol and drugs for many years. If i can get clean anyone can.

                                Alex

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