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    Hello. It's my third week on subs and I have done my research...wish I did it earlier. I am scared and want to ween down immediately. I think it's great that it's working, but I do not want to be on it long. I want to really be "clean" and I am also very scared of the wd's. I hear the longer you're on subs, the worse they are, so better to start lowering now. Just got home from the Doc; he wasn't totally against me weening down, but suggested I stay on my 8 mgs per day. I refuse to do this. I would love advice on how to go about lowering my dosage starting this week. I currently have a weeks worth of 8mg strips, so I can be flexible.

    Week one I did 4mgs in the am, 4mgs in the pm. Week two he upped me to 8mgs in the am, 4mgs in the pm, but that made me too hyped up, so on the fifth day of that I went back to the 8mgs per day total. I am currently on my 15 day on subs and am at 4mgs in the am, 4mgs in the pm. Thank you in advance for the support! Positive feedback please, as I am scared enough. Thanks!

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    Welcome, I'm a new member and started Robert_325 taper on Friday last week. I have followed it to the letter and am doing great. I suggest you read the taper plan and the personal stories then decide if it's for you. I am amassed at how many folks have completed a painless or near painless withdrawal by following these instructions. I am working hard to becoming a success story myself.

    Give a read https://www.drugs.com/forum/featured...apy-50887.html

    Welcome and good luck in your journey.

    In short time more experienced members will give you guidance.

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    • #3
      Hi Kerr, glad you started your own thread here. From now on, always post here so we can all guide you through your taper. I know you don't want to be on subs long. It's only been 3 weeks. If you follow the taper plan I linked to you in your other post, you will succeed with minimal discomfort! If you rush this, it will not go well.

      Are you feeling stable at 8 mg per day? Once stable, make your first 25% drop to 6 mg per day. You need to take your doses at the same time every day..at least 8 hours apart.

      You can do this! Don't listen to the horror stories. Follow the taper and it will be over soon enough.

      Katherine

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      • #4
        Thanks guys! Yes, it finally let me make my own thread. I have read all the other threads on subs, but am glad to have my own, because every story is unique. I am very tired and had a nauseous feeling after dinner for the first time tonight, so I'll probably stay on the 8 for tomorrow. It could have been due to the fact that I worked out pretty hard and am new to being back in the gym. I am also very constipated, much more so than I ever was on the percs. I have been eating lots of fiber and taking stool softeners, but have not seen relief. By the weekend, I may be doing a full flush (raw foods, mag citrate/gatorade mix, etc). I'll keep you all posted as to when I go down to 6mgs per day. When I do, I'll be doing 4mgs in the morning and 2mgs, 9 hours later. I have been dosing at 7:00 when I get up and 3:00-4:00 when I get out of work.

        On a side note, I would really like to know if I can share in NA that I am on subs? I have been to 3 meetings and finally even spoke the other night, albeit I only got my name out before crying to heavily to speak. I'm worried they will not consider me in recovery and ask me to leave until I'm really sober. Anyone else go to meetings? Therapy?

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        • #5
          Kerr welcome to the forums. I was on subs myself for 4 months and used the taper plan here to wean myself off. You have only been on subs for 3 weeks so you should be just fine with the taper plan here. I was over prescribed myself at 16 mg a day but only took 16 mg day 2 and 3. I didn't know about the forums here at first so I ended up spending about 15 days at 12 mg. It wasn't till 5 weeks on subs that I dropped from 8 mg to 6 mg so you are ahead of where I was. Almost all horror stories are usually from people that were on huge daily doses of between 16-32 mg a day and were on them in some cases for several years. Also from people that didn't taper properly and jumped at to high of a dose. Keep posting your progress here daily and you will find support from other members here. My very best wishes to you on your journey and I will talk to you later.

          Alex

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          • #6
            Some people in NA don't know the purpose of subs. Let them know that sub is simply a helpful tool to keep you out of WD's and to get yourself together while preparing for a new sober life. Let them know that subs do NOT get people high. If you get a negative reaction just find another meeting to attend. The only requirement of NA is the desire to get clean and you certainly meet that criteria!

            Keep up with the exercise. It will make you feel so much better and relieve tension. Double bonus! LoL..

            Katherine
            Last edited by Anonymous; 11-12-2013, 09:03 PM.

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            • #7
              Kerr as far as sharing at NA meetings that is totally up to you. While you are technically not clean while on subs you are using them as a tool to get clean. The only requirement of 12 step programs is a desire to get clean and you are showing the desire. I didn't go to NA meetings as I hid my addiction from family and work and choose not to go to meetings though I attended AA meetings for several years as Alcohol was my DOC for years. I myself strongly believe in both AA and NA. Maybe someone else will jump in and share with you about going to NA while on subs

              Alex

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              • #8
                Kerr
                If you are going to do se twice a day do equal doses, 12 hours apart. I see you are planning I starting the day with 4mg and then taking 2mg later in the day. Take 3mg, ideally 12 hours apart. I started off dosing twice a day but it ended up being easier to dose once a day. If you do dose once a day, take it at the same time everyday. You want to have a steady amount of subs in your body. Due to the long half life you shouldn't need to dose more often than every 12 hours.

                If you follow Robert's plan you shouldn't have too much discomfort. I never missed work or any activities, any symptoms I had were mild and totally manageable. Just make sure you don't rush it, only drop when you feel 100% stable. If you do that, you should be fine. Exercising helped me tremendously with sleeping and in general feeling better.

                Good luck, keep posting

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                • #9
                  You are all amazing! I am so happy to have found this! Alex, I would love to chat with you more, as our situations are closely mirrored. I really want/need to get off as easy as possible bc I cannot miss any more work, which is the reason I started on these in the first place.

                  Sharksfan, the reason I have decided to go down to 4mgs -am, 2mgs-pm is because I am only prescribed the 8mgs strips and it makes it much easier to cut the strip into doses of 4 and 2. I want to make sure I am on the same dose amount, but if I start doing doses of 3mgs, I might make a mess of the strip and not have accurate doses.

                  I am going to try the 4mgs this morning and 2mgs this afternoon. I think I'm ready! I'm also going to keep very busy at work, eat very well, and hit the gym after work!!!

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                  • #10
                    Kerr

                    There are some youtube videos and google images that shows you how to cut the strips. It's a good idea to look at that because at some point you will need to cut them. If you have an 8mg strip, cut it in half. Now you have two 4mg strips. Take one of those cut it in half and now you have two 2mg prices, cut that in half and you have 1mg pieces. So you can take a 1mg & 2mg strip and you will be taking 3 mg total.

                    I started off with strips and ended up with pills, it's much more difficult to cut them but I managed. Ultimately that's why I went to once a day.

                    Try not to over think things or stress about what's going to happen. There're are plenty of us who have actual experience with Robert's plan and did not miss work. You may not feel 100% but I don't think you will ever have to miss work.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sharks fan View Post
                      Kerr

                      There are some youtube videos and google images that shows you how to cut the strips. It's a good idea to look at that because at some point you will need to cut them. If you have an 8mg strip, cut it in half. Now you have two 4mg strips. Take one of those cut it in half and now you have two 2mg prices, cut that in half and you have 1mg pieces. So you can take a 1mg & 2mg strip and you will be taking 3 mg total.

                      I started off with strips and ended up with pills, it's much more difficult to cut them but I managed. Ultimately that's why I went to once a day.

                      Try not to over think things or stress about what's going to happen. There're are plenty of us who have actual experience with Robert's plan and did not miss work. You may not feel 100% but I don't think you will ever have to miss work.
                      OK, so I took my usual dose today; 4mgs this morning and 4mgs after work. I decided not to cut my strips without further advice. Hopefully, I'll get some responses tonight.
                      My question is, when I go down to 6mgs per day, should I do my intended 4mgs/am and then 2mgs/pm? I have had enormous trouble sleeping, but need the energy during the day...cutting them to make 3mg doses will also be a pain. Or...with that said, should I do 3mgs/am and then the other 3mgs at night?

                      In addition, I would love some tips on helping me go to the bathroom. I have IBS, so it's always been an issue, but never like this. I have been eating high fiber and taking stool softeners. What else can I do? I've only gone once in 10 days! And that was a challenge in itself

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                      • #12
                        At my last NA meeting I shared that I wasn't clean "yet" and was working on tapering off of subs in order to get there. The only requirement for NA is the *Desire* to be clean. And you've definitely got that. So I would say as long as you're comfortable sharing that info, there's no reason not to. My confession was met with hugs and complete acceptance and support. Hope that helps!

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                        • #13
                          Hey Kerr dont worry too much about cutting the strips down, ive cut the 8mg strips down to .125 pieces. While its a major pain, it can be done. At the higher doses, being off .1-.2mgs isnt that big a deal anyways you probably wouldnt even notice honestly.

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                          • #14
                            Maybe Miralax might help? My doc recommends it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Iwantoff2013 View Post
                              Some people in NA don't know the purpose of subs. Let them know that sub is simply a helpful tool to keep you out of WD's and to get yourself together while preparing for a new sober life. Let them know that subs do NOT get people high. If you get a negative reaction just find another meeting to attend. The only requirement of NA is the desire to get clean and you certainly meet that criteria!

                              Keep up with the exercise. It will make you feel so much better and relieve tension. Double bonus! LoL..

                              Katherine
                              I agree with Katherine completely, most do not understand what we are doing and that's a shame. One of the main traditions of NA is the only requirement for membership is the desire to stop using. Traditions are the rules that the groups must (but sometimes don't) follow. This one however is one of the must revered by all. There is no requirement to "be clean". They should just say "keep coming back". Sadly, you will find those that talk down and treat you like a second class member. Ignore them, stick with positive people and you'll fit in. Most importantly, remember we are tapering NOT getting high. There is a big difference. There are some that go through surgery and take meds as directed for a limited length of time. They are still "clean". We are taking medicine to treat our illness, we are taking less than directed and have every right to attend meetings if we have the desire to stop using drugs.

                              In the long run it's very important we stick to the taper plan and not be discourage by others in or outside of "the rooms".

                              Lincoln

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