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  • #31
    Do not worry about annoying us with questions, etc. That's what we're here for. Most people are nervous about the cuts at first, it's no thing and what we want you do to until you become more comfortable. The video that many are talking about is a Harry Smooth video. Also the google suboxone cuts are pretty good.
    As far as your back pain, our pain tends to increase with the opiate use because our brain says we need the opiates, the pain will perhaps lessen in time. As far as the spacing of your doses, whatever is comfortable to you is fine.
    One thing, and Alex may disagree (always follow Alex) is to avoid the aleve if you can until you get stable. The one thing that Alex said, as have others is that the four days is not set in stone, you may have to go longer at some doses. It is imperative that you are stable when you do a drop.
    Another thing you can post anything you need to here: even begging and pleading. This is YOUR thread. Post what you need to. It's a journal of your journey. The most important thing is that you get through this process and on with your life.

    Peace,

    Iloerose

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    • #32
      Alex I read your response again. When you say stable what exactly do you mean. If you mean having little to no aide effects from the taper I get you. Just wanted to be sure what you meant for stable. By the way you are crazy good with numbers if you were calculating that all in your head as your were typing. If you want to be filled in on how I'm doing I wrote above, take care math genius ;-)

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      • #33
        I am praying my pain gets better as the opiates decress in my body. I used to dance ballet with a company so that's major wear and tear on the body and the 2 horrible car accidents and 1 slip down a flight of stair and broke several areas. So you put all that together and it equals pain. The stem cell work I had done I know made a huge difference after the 3 treatment I was able to get ride of the walker but after another 2 treatments I stayed the same. I get acupuncture, reflexology and spend time in an oxyegen

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        • #34
          Sorry i dont know what happened there continuing from where it stopped....Oxygen chamber too help heal the soft tissue. Anyways I hope that after all the meds are out of my system I will have less pain also. By stable and I just asked Alex the same what exactly do you mean. Me taking the Advil is probably somethingsomething I will have to do on and off forever. Is it going to hurt my recovery as I taper down?

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          • #35
            Amy i actually am very good with calculating numbers in my head but lol i did use a calculator and based it on a formula i saw on how fast subs stay in your system. Stable to me is not feeling WD symptoms or like you mentioned little to no side effects. I am glad to see that your Dr told you if you felt you needed to slow the taper down to let him know as one never knows if they are going to be able to drop 25% every 4 days with each drop. I googled cutting sub strips once and it was way after i had finished subs but i remember when i did the Harry Smooth video was on the first page of results. Harry and i tapered last year and he was my taper buddy toward the end of my taper. And guess who was there for both of us with support while we tapered? Rose is the answer to that and im so happy shes here now supporting you. Rose is to kind when she says always follow Alex as her advise is always good. The Harry Smooth video is a you tube video and the upload is by Randy Cumbie by the way and i just checked and its still on the first page of results when i googled cutting suboxone strips. Its 10 30 now and i need to run to the store quickly so i will talk to you later Amy

            Alex

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            • #36
              Thank you Alex, that's too funny about the numbers i was like holy >>>> this guy is crazy good with numbers. LoL. Good too know that video is still there I was busy with my little girls so I haven't been to look for it since my last post. That's really amazing that you and Rose are done with your tapers and still stay on to help out other people. Its a selfless act and a gracious one. Thank you all who are helping me write books to you everyday, yes I like too talk anyway. So Alex me having pain in my lumbar is just ever present the hip pain is subtle but I feel stable and am in no way anxious about tapering down. I do still want to know about the Advil, I can go without taking it but it helps the inflammation in my back and knees. If its going to chemically hinder my taper off Suboixone then I need to know more so I can make a decision on whether to stop Advil or not. FYI I only take it if I am really swollen or the pain is more than normal. Example I have inky taken it 3x since Thanksgiving, so not often anyway. Im off to find Harry Smooth video ;-)
              Last edited by Anonymous; 12-12-2013, 10:58 PM.

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              • #37
                Amy not that it matters but im not sure if Rose did any kind of taper or went the CT route. Shes been a member here since 2009 and even though it shows I have been a member here since 2006 I never even knew the forums were here till last Sept or October. I joined in here in 2006 to look up a pill is why it shows me as 2006. She was one of the first people to respond to me when I first posted here last year on Harrys thread. I might not be thinking clear and I hope Rose sees this and responds tomorrow but since you have gone from 16 to 12 and now are at 9mg and seem to be doing ok I would think its ok to take advil. Amy if Rose sees this and points out something that I am over looking at this point then I would listen to her Amy. Rose and I are friends and if she points something out that she thinks im over looking she knows I wont feel insulted lol. There are a handful of people I can think of on this site that in my opinion there advise and wisdom are gold and Rose is one of them Amy. I hope you found Harrys video and it is going to help you out on cutting your strips.

                Alex

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                • #38
                  Amy: I never did the sub route. I did c/t. When Robert_325 left the site and retired there was no one at all doing the sub boards. Because I learned so much from Robert over the years, I stepped in. Yeah, I learned a lot from Robert and when I made a mistake, I learned much from his gentle teachings. As the time progressed, others started responding and helping. Alex helps keep me on track (yes, you do, Alex, I've learned a lot from you as well!) Yes, Amy, we're friends and he will keep you on track and we do back each other up. Alex is THE best. Trust what he says and I will be here as well to get you through this. I will agree with Alex that the advil won't hurt. You've gotten stable on the 12 and now working on 9mg. It's better if you don't have the stress of the extra inflammation from your injuries. I hope your day is going well. Alex is right that you should listen to your body when you drop, the four day taper is not set in stone. He is right about being stable: that is most important and is spot on when he says "little to no symptoms" before you drop. If you have to drop slower at some doses, so be it. The point is to do this right and do it once. You will find as you go that you will become less anxious, there is no magic formula to this: everyone is different.

                  Peace,
                  Rose

                  PS: You can absolutely place trust in Alex, I do.

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                  • #39
                    Thank you, you guys are so cute how you compliment each other. Today is my second day on the 9mg. Today is really the first day i feel different in a uncomfortable sense. I feel like I have a cold but I don't LOL does that make sense. I have a runny nose and eyes and achy in my hips, a little foggy. My husband is amazing so he has taken the girls shopping so i can just rest and relax all day. It rainy and cold so its a nice day for tea and a good book. I want to tell you all that I am not judgmental at all of whatever anyone's reasons are for being on Suboxone. I only mention that I'm not an addict just so I can get the best advice for someone in my position. I am scared and have never gone through anything like this.
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                    • #40
                      My husband and I watched Harry Smooths video, his laugh is contagious it makes you laugh too. We see how you cut the strips but can one of you just give me the exact dosage going down. Doing it by calculator of course it doesn't come out even. So I don't know if your rounding up or what. I would feel better know what to go to I'm on 9mg then too 6.75 then to 5mg? I can manage the cutting I hope LOL just give me the run down. I'm so type A I have a container for am/pm and have the doses already cut for the 9mg and the 6.75 in the containers and ready. I know not to think about the dose till I get to it and that may be relaxing for some ;-) but for me its knowledge and preperation.
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                      • #41
                        Hey, Amy, there are many people that are not addicts, simply dependent on their medications. But the w/d symptoms can be the same, especially coming off of a high dose of opiates as you were on. That is not a problem here, there is no judgement. Everyone is scared at first and worried and anxious about how the cuts go and taper goes, so no worries, post whatever questions or concerns that you need to post. Harry is a real funny guy, if you can find his sub taper, or maybe I'll find it and bump it up, it's a trip to read. He's so very honest about what he goes through.
                        Your symptoms are pretty typical and they should even out soon. Seems to me that for people some mild symptoms tend to show on day two, although not always. Remember like Alex said that the drop days are NOT set in stone, but I don't see that you will have a problem. Just take it one day at a time, yeah, I know, type A, LOL.(I wish I had more of that quality in me) But seriously post symptoms that you have. Next drop is 6.75, drop after is 5 mg., next is 3.75. But, yes, we do round up when the doses start to become impossible with the calculator. The important thing is to make sure you are stable at each drop, that is little to no symptoms when drop day comes. Best thing is to try to relax as much as you can and follow your body. You will know. Sounds like a plan with the book, cup of tea and the rain pattering down. Here it is snowing slowly and piling up slowly, but I love the snow

                        Peace, Rose

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                        • #42
                          Hi all withdrawal symptoms from yesterday are gone today. Yeah :-) I seem to just have some mild ones on the 2nd or 3rd day then they're gone. So I am more than ready to go down to the 6.75mg tomorrow. If the whole tapper goes this easy I'll be happy.

                          I need to vent a little. A person has unbareable pain and after several years of dr.s apts and surgeries your sent to a pain clinic where then then try several things with (I can't count how many needles have went in my back over the years) needles and lasers you name it. The whole time telling you to keep taking your pain medicine and telling you to take more and more over time. What they DON'T do it say when you first get to the pain clinic is "we can put you on strong pain medication to help ease your pain but you need to know your options and depending on which option you choose this will be the out come of choosing pain meds. The out come of taking pain medicine over long periods of time WILL, not maybe cause your body to become addicted to the pain medicine so even if your having a good day and you don't need it you must still take it or you'll become very sick. Then if you ever want to stop the medication you will go through what feels like death then you'll have to take another medication and taper off of that too and while doing that you won't feel good either"! Do they do that NO THEY DO NOT! Why because they wouldn't make any money from all your procedures. Its all about $$$$. What happened to the oath they took Do No Harm. Wouldn't that include giving the patient all the facts upfront so they can make an educated decision prior to taking the meds and getting all the procedures that cost thousands of dollars and done and the odds of any of then working are slim at best. ARG! The only thing that worked to a point for me was seem cell procedures thank God but we still had to fly to another state 5x get a rental car pay for a hotel and pay for the procedure which cost a couple thousand each time not covered by insurance. I wonder what all MRIs, CAT scans, X-rays, pain clinic, hospital copays, pain meds, deductibles, hotet bills, rental car fees, gas and food cost over the past 2 1/2 years not to mention the fear, mental exhaustion and time spent. Then you still have to see another dr. For a new med and his fees and we all know SUB cost serious money.
                          Okay vent done LOL thanks for listening.

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                          • #43
                            Hey Amy. So glad to hear WD symptoms are gone! It's very common for any minor symptoms to appear on day 2-3 because of the sub half life. I'm the same way, but the symptoms are totally manageable.

                            Yes, the rest of your taper will be smooth as long as you only drop when stable. Looks like you're coming along just fine. Before you know it, this will all be a distant memory. Then comes the work and effort: staying clean. We have to remember that we can't ever take pills again unless we want to end up right back in the depths of addiction.

                            Hope you have a nice, peaceful evening.
                            Kat

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                            • #44
                              I am glad your taper is going smoothly. Thank you for posting your rant. It is so true: many docs believe that if you're just dependent on the meds that it's no problem to stop, believe it or not! (I know you believe it) People need to HEAR what you just said.

                              I wish you a peaceful night.

                              Iloerose

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                              • #45
                                Amy good to see the taper is good for you. I never noticed any of my drops but from following several other threads on here I know a lot of people sometimes feel a bit uncomfortable on a drop and they usually feel it on either day 2 or 3 most of the time so that's common. Usually by day 4 there ok and then go ahead and drop. Its when you have dosed 4 days at the same dose and if not stable at that point you wait. Looks like your doing well with the 4 day schedule and that's great . Keep up the good job and I will talk to you later.

                                Alex

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