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  • #61
    Kat thank you, I was close LOL. Thank you for taking the time in your day to do that for me. Sorry about your calculator, too funny. Maybe you'll get a new one from Santa ;-), Thanks again, Amy

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    • #62
      Amy,

      My wife is holistic. She has taken me in for a deep muscle message "once". It was painful and yes, they told me to drink lots of water. My insurance covers 26 a year, I need to go back.

      I have a chiropractor friend that I admire. He's never had a imunization, eaten processed food and won't even buy carpet, clothing or furniture that has chemicals in it. He is 57 and looks like a healthy forty. I'll tell you, we were on holiday food was a problem. He won't eat out unless it's a real organic place. We found an organic farm. My friend whipped up some avocado wrap thing and it was delicious.

      I understand the preventative value of living healthy and have always procrastinated. Maybe it's time to get serious. Making the healthy life changes are not easy.

      I've been watching you progress and it inspires me. You are not the typical opiate dependent and the taper us working for you too.

      Very, very cool.

      Lincoln

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      • #63
        Lincoln, that's awesome my husband is a Chiropractor. We are similar to your friend but not to that extreme. We went out for dinner last night and had fried food, so bad ;-) we never ever eat that way but once in a while is okay,so yummy. It is hard to change over to a healthy life stylestyle if you don't know where to start, but it can be done without putting stress on yourself or your family. Just like the taper is slow so is changing eating habits and lifestyle. Start with 1 or two things organic or go in the pantry and remove, take back or donate all food that have high fructose corn syrup another would be anything with artificial sweeteners, or stop eating anything that contains wheat, corn, soy, cotton seed or palm oils, replace them with organic olive oil and coconut oils. So you start with one and when it feels like normal, however long that may take you remove another and replace it with the healthy alternative. Our children are vaccine free and so are our pets. Our girls are 10 and 6 and they have been sick with cold or flu maybe 3 or 4 times ever. Lincoln the reason I'm not the typical opiate Dependant is I seem to not have the gene that makes you crave or become addicted to anything. I guess I'm lucky but my reasons for stopping pain meds are they make me sick and on top of that they just weren't getting ride of my back pain they actually started to cause pain.There's a unknown timeline with opiates first they dull the pain your having from whatever surgery or accident you had then if you have to stay on them your body become dependent then with some so does your mind. With the people who become addicted they stay on because it feels good, for the people who don't become addicted they stay on simply because there pain is still there. However with the non addiction people the pain pills eventually stop getting ride of your pain and actually start causing pain because they have turned off all of your bodies pain receptors. Its like an antibiotic your body is fighting the virus or infection and then you start antibiotics and your body say " oh hey thanks I'll go take a break if your here". So its the same with pain meds. For me the non addictive personality my pain pills which have always made me feel horrible were causing me pain. So I think maybe that's where I differ and the whole holistic thing. Its hard for me to have to be Dependant on something I hate knowing I'm unable to do it on my own but then you have to take a stepo back and say "I'm only human, I'm doing the best I can and that's perfectly enough”. I was on another forum last night and was helping a person with depression (I've had it since childhood another thing I accepted was okay to need medicine to help) I told her that I believe nothing happens without reason, so why God has put us on this path I have to believe its because we will help someone else someday, all his reasons are about love. That gives me comfort, the journey has been painful but it has taught me so much all this knowledge I have now has to be to help others, it has to be. I would be honered to help you with a lifestyle change or answer any questions you may have. I'm glad your doing well on your taper. I feel bad for the people who have an addiction its harder for them. I'll keep them in my prayers. I'm off to finish shopping, take care, Amy

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        • #64
          Amy I saw your taper schedule I theres a few drops I think may be a bit steep myself. I see your doing fine now right now though and that is good to read. Just concentrate where you are now dose wise and I will talk to you later.

          Alex

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          • #65
            Amy,

            I like your analogy of gradual change to a holistic organic diet. It seems more doable than a "cold turkey" cutover. .... In my case, the stuff is already here. My wife is like you. Day to day all organic and once in a great while she'll eat a restraint meal. It's funny, I open the refrigerator and don't even know how I would prepare these items. We usually eat separate dinners together. I once said I've had a lifetime of wheat, beef and sugar, going organic would shock my system. I do take daily vitamins and try supplements for cold before running to dr.

            I'm old, grew up in 60s and 70s. As a teenager I lost all my siblings and father in a horrible accident. I can't describe how painful the survivors guilt and PTS has been for most of my life. I went to rehab in my twenties and staying drug free for two decades. Then I had a dental surgery. The dentist gave my 60 10mg vicodins with 2 refills. I had never even had vicodin before. How difficult could this be? I haven't had anything in 20 years. I took them for pain for the first couple days and then took them to get high. The horse was out of the barn and I almost lost it all.

            During my sobriety I came to terms with my loss, graduated from a well known university, job, married, house, kids. I don't want to lose what I have.

            We all have a unique story. The word addict has a negative connotation and I don't like the label either. All those years in meetings have programmed me to use the word when describing my condition.

            I like to think of it this way. If You stole something twenty years ago and nothing since would I say there's Amy the thief? No, not everyone who becomes dependent on opiates is an addict.

            My prediction is you will successfully taper, put this behind, and move on with your life. I also think you will find alternatives to opiate treatments.

            I've enjoyed reading your posts. You come here with a well researched approach and take suggestions from those sr experienced members.

            You're going to make it!

            Lincoln

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            • #66
              Lincoln thank you so much. I know nothing about Suboxone and I've never done a forum before but I was so scared and clueless I had to give it a try. You are a fighter and have to many reasons to be successful at this as well. Your not old. I'm 43 my husband is 48 to me age means nothing its how you feel and your connection to others. One of my closest friends is 19, go figure she's so wise and she's 19 it blows my mind. So you are not old. At least your open minded to the lifestyle of organic some people think its crazy talk. LOL to each his own. Lincoln, stay the course, if you get cravings think of your family and do what us girls do have a piece of chocolate :-) If it were only that easy right. I will keep you in my prayers and pray you receive strength and love, take comfort in know your here for a reason and its exactly where your supposed to be right now. The rest will come later. I know a friend of a friend like you, she was clean and then had a surgery...she recovered again and years later was in a horrible accident and she had to have surgery. She told the doctors her situation they understood and gave her a very low dose and limited it to only a couple days with no refills. Tell the dr. up front you can only have a couple days worth and that way the refill thing won't happen. You are removing the temptation for further use. Its okay to have help, set yourself up for success instead. That's powerful right there, taking control of the situation. You can do it, you already are ,Blessing Amy

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              • #67
                Hello Amy,I'm currently taping for the first time using subs.I loved tabs the feeling of getting high was great.I found this site and the people here helped.I could not have tapered off tabs I tried many many times.if used correctly subs are nothing but a tool to help you.I promise you if you follow the plan and be patient you will get through this with little discomfort.I am not a patient person but I learned how to be,my wife and my kids love having there dad back.I work a very physical job and I'm in a little pain,but I can't compare my pain to the pain I caused my family and others.stay strong ff

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                • #68
                  FF, this thread has been going a while and that conversation was talking about something a while ago. I apologize I don't know anything about using. I wish you well.

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                  • #69
                    Amy just dropping in to say I hope the taper is going well for you and your pain is not bothering you much. Best wishes to you as you move forward and hope you have a nice Christmas.

                    Alex

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                    • #70
                      Alex
                      Thank you for checking on me, I feel great no symptoms right now :-)
                      Happy Holidays to you too, enjoy.

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                      • #71
                        Hi Amy,I'm learning these threads,good job on your taper,I have to say it's great therapy posting.merry Xmas ff

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                        • #72
                          Help ~ Alex & Rose, Hi I hope you had a wonderful holiday and new year. We were crazy busy with our girls and we celebrate Jewish and Christan holidays that equals lots of presents. LOL I have been doing great no symptoms if withdrawal nothing except my knees which is always there since I was 18, anyways I have been in a constant state of crying and pain in my legs. I am at .50 once a day until today it has been twice a day. I had forgotten my night time Sub a time or two and felt nothing so I decided at some point I need to go to 1 a day. I had to get some cortisone >>>>s in my one knee this am so the pain is unbearable plus the crying. My husband said did the Subixone ever help your pain and I said "no not really" he said maybe its the withdrawal making the knee pain worse? I don't know but I writhing around my leg is elevates and screaming in pain. So I took another .5 for my evening dose. So this am was .5 and this pm was 1.0 I may need to stay at it a couple days for my knee, it did take about 25% of the pain away which is tolerable. Sorry long story but my questions are do I start the taper over from 1.0 if I take it another day or two or just go back to .5 again? Second why am I crying my head off. I take medicine for depression but I am a success story it works perfectly. I am crying like someone died and I'm anxious WTF is this all withdrawal and if yes how long before this passes. No wonder you guys say the low dose is the hardest. I don't even know if that made sense, need more ice. What's your advice, I want off Sub like there was no tomorrow, I hate this... Ty

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                          • #73
                            Amy did you drop from 1 mg or .75 to .50? If you dropped from 1mg to .50 that was to big of a drop. You might want to take .75 for 3 days then drop from .75 to .625 then to .50. As for the crying a lot of people find there emotions get a little out of whack especially toward the end of a taper. It will pass just give it some time. Will talk to you later and best wishes to you.

                            Alex

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                            • #74
                              Hi Alex, I did the 1mg for 4 days then .75 for 4 days then to the .5 today was my second day at .5 but I did drop from am and pm dose to just 1x in the afternoon. So may I should stay at am and pm but at some point it has to go to once a day right? What do you suggest? After I took the .5 today I then went to my Orthopedist then came home and a few hours later the lidocaine wore off so I took the pm .5 which is the one I stopped. Then a few hours later the pain in my knee was so bad I didn't know if taking a .5 more would do anything for the pain or not but it did take some away. I guess my knee procedure and going to the .5 once a day was not a good combination. Also within 15 min of taking the 3rd .5 all crying stopped. I am completely shocked at how powerful this tiny little dissolvable thing is, blown away. I will get through the crying, it the pain that the worst. How should I proceed? Without today's mess I was doing great at going down every 4 days but it was still a dose am and pm. Thank you in advance Alex, your very thoughtful at getting back time so fast. :-)

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by amydogs View Post
                                Hi Alex, I did the 1mg for 4 days then .75 for 4 days then to the .5 today was my second day at .5 but I did drop from am and pm dose to just 1x in the afternoon. So may I should stay at am and pm but at some point it has to go to once a day right? What do you suggest? After I took the .5 today I then went to my Orthopedist then came home and a few hours later the lidocaine wore off so I took the pm .5 which is the one I stopped. Then a few hours later the pain in my knee was so bad I didn't know if taking a .5 more would do anything for the pain or not but it did take some away. I guess my knee procedure and going to the .5 once a day was not a good combination. Also within 15 min of taking the 3rd .5 all crying stopped. I am completely shocked at how powerful this tiny little dissolvable thing is, blown away. I will get through the crying, it the pain that the worst. How should I proceed? Without today's mess I was doing great at going down every 4 days but it was still a dose am and pm. Thank you in advance Alex, your very thoughtful at getting back time so fast. :-)
                                Amy maybe go back to 1 mg for a couple days then go back to .75 for 4 then drop to .625 instead of .50. Just a guess on my part as I never increased my dose once I started tapering. Also I really have ni idea about suboxone as a pain med. My sub use had nothing to do with pain but strictly tapering. Just a suggestion you might try.

                                Alex

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