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    Please can someone guide me in the right direction here? I have been on subs for about 3 years and need to taper off asap. before summer if i can! i am currently on 2mg a day 1mg in the morning and 1 mg in the evening. Its only been 2 days and i feel great. im out of my mind nervous to go any lower. please help

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    Hi Jen, I suggest that you first read the taper:

    https://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html

    Next, it's common to get stuck on the 2mg. I would suggest that you keep your dose to once a day, if that's what you have been doing. You can opt to stay on two doses, but at some point you are going to end up at one anyway. Read Alexnt's thread. There are many more people now going off sub after being on long term and it's totally doable to get off this drug. I would also go under "prescription drug abuse" and find the suboxone forum and post there. There are many people there who can help you with this process. If you opt to stay at 2mg. twice a day your next drop would be to 1.5 mg. at the recommended .25% drop, but you may want to try to go to 1.75 mg. for your first drop. Make sure you're stable where you are at the 2mg., especially if you opt at twice a day.
    Another thing you are going to want to do is to get plenty of exercise, eat well, drink plenty of water and above all else keep a positive mindset. Absolutely try the sub board for this and you will meet all kinds of people coming off of subs who will help you.

    Peace,

    Iloerose I originally posted this in "need to talk"

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    • #3
      Everyone is scared at first: I suggest you drop to 1.75 and not the 1.5 that would be the .25% drop. Hang tough, you can do this.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by iloerose View Post
        Everyone is scared at first: I suggest you drop to 1.75 and not the 1.5 that would be the .25% drop. Hang tough, you can do this.
        You can do this! I've been on subs for about a year and a half... Started at 16mg. I just dropped from 1mg to .75... When I was at 2mg... I did the same thing... 1mg in am (8-9) and 1 mg in pm (4-5). When I went to 1.5 ... I adjusted my am dose to .5 and then kept my pm dose the same at 1mg. It went pretty smooth... I stayed there for 1 1/2 - 2 weeks... Low and slow... No rush! You got this thing!!!

        Then I dropped my pm from 1mg to .5mg. Now I was at 1mg per day... .5mg twice a day. Stayed there for about a month!

        Finally, felt like could take the next step! Two days ago I dropped my am dose .25 and kept PM dose at .50

        So far so good... We'll see - been 2 days. I Need to stay positive! I Need to start exercising! I'm going to do this! Taking B vitamins, L-tyrosine... The worst thing you can do is just sit around and wait for a bomb to go off... With low and slow and keeping busy... Positive thought... Your going to just walk right off!

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        • #5
          Hi All, I'm new here and am looking for some help..... 3 years ago i had surgery for bulging disc in my neck. 1 year before and ever since I've take norco. Recently i fractured my pelvis and was again given norco from another doctor. this was the most painful thing i've ever experienced and started taking 6 to 8 10mg norco per day. I finally contacted one of the docs and explained what i was doing. She suggested taking 3 per day for 3 days, then 2 per day for 3 days, then 1 per day for 3 days, then 1/2 for 3 days. Has anyone tried this before? I want off of these, mainly because I've embarrased my self with 2 doctors and feel like a criminal and now they won't subscribe anymore, can't blame them, but I'm really in pain from the fractured pelvis. Neither doc will see me anymore. Any suggestions.....I'm totally embarrassed!!!!
          Last edited by Anonymous; 02-21-2014, 06:07 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jensondy View Post
            Please can someone guide me in the right direction here? I have been on subs for about 3 years and need to taper off asap. before summer if i can! i am currently on 2mg a day 1mg in the morning and 1 mg in the evening. Its only been 2 days and i feel great. im out of my mind nervous to go any lower. please help
            ensondy,

            I am in my 5th day of withdrawal from 2 mg Bup daily (for over 2 years) Its my 8th day if you count the three days hydrocodone I took as prescribed by my MD. I have been on some form of Narcotic for over 20 years. My God, I cant believe its been that long. Dont want to sugarcoat the withdrawal because it aint been fun, but its something I am committed to. If you are ready...you can do it. But you have to be ready. As my name implies, I should know better since I am a health care provider. We all come to this place in our lives when we get tired of a pill and decide to go without the crutch. TBH, I know others say that other opiates do not help with coming off Bup, for me they did a little. They kept the absolute worst of the withdrawal away. Believe me I know withdrawal. I have been on Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Oxycontin and then Buprenorphine and cold turkeyed myself off of all at some point. Though I never took the drugs for a high, sometimes in the beginning it was an inevitable side effect. My drug journey started after the first Persian excursion (Desert Storm). Came back with something unknown and very painful, but since I am in the medical field, we take care of our own...so to speak. If you can call the hell of pain meds being taken care of. But I am digressing. Since this is my 5th day off the Bup (Subutex) I can say each day is a little better. A little. I still have the hot flashes and chills sometimes at the same time, sometimes right after each other. As I write this, I am actually laughing as it is pretty funny to go from burning up to freezing with goose bumps in 5 seconds flat. The diarrhea is tolerable with lomotil. I do have an appetite. I have ZERO energy but I make myself exercise on my bike. I LOVE riding my bike (bicycle). I can ride for hours if the weather is good and get lost in my own thoughts or music. If you can evercise a little...do it. The one thing I have to stress is...you must get some sleep. Talk to your MD or DO. Get some xanax (.5mg) and Ambien. Ask him/her to give you no more than 15 tabs of Xanax and 30 tabs of Ambien. The Ambien is not such a big deal but long term xanax with fast withdrawal can be deadly. But not 15 tabs. You can use 15 tabs without fear. If you can get them, try taking one half of the pill .25 mg at bed time. If you dont fall asleep taker the other half. I take .5 mg Xanax and an Ambien and sleep for about 7 hours. Don't take them during the day...remember this is for sleep. Yes I have taken both the Ambien and the xanax at the same time to sleep at bedtime and I am still alive. Some who are more conservative will warn you about this...make your own choices. Only you know how much you can tolerate of the withdrawal. I know that I tried it for one day without sleep and I had to leave work early since I could not even think straight. Not been to work in a week. But since I never called in sick, it is not a problem missing some for me. I feel that day 6 is going to be better. Hang in there, if you have decided its your time, you can and will do it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jensondy View Post
              Please can someone guide me in the right direction here? I have been on subs for about 3 years and need to taper off asap. before summer if i can! i am currently on 2mg a day 1mg in the morning and 1 mg in the evening. Its only been 2 days and i feel great. im out of my mind nervous to go any lower. please help
              You can do this! I've been on subs for about a year and a half... Started at 16mg. I just dropped from 1mg to .75... When I was at 2mg... I did the same thing... 1mg in am (8-9) and 1 mg in pm (4-5). When I went to 1.5 ... I adjusted my am dose to .5 and then kept my pm dose the same at 1mg. It went pretty smooth... I stayed there for 1 1/2 - 2 weeks... Low and slow... No rush! You got this thing!!!

              Then I dropped my pm from 1mg to .5mg. Now I was at 1mg per day... .5mg twice a day. Stayed there for about a month!

              Finally, felt like could take the next step! Two days ago I dropped my am dose .25 and kept PM dose at .50

              So far so good... We'll see - been 2 days. I Need to stay positive! I Need to start exercising! I'm going to do this! Taking B vitamins, L-tyrosine... The worst thing you can do is just sit around and wait for a bomb to go off... With low and slow and keeping busy... Positive thought... Your going to just walk right off!

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              • #8
                Jem welcome to the forums and your desire to get off of subs. Rose I see hap posted the link to the sub taper that most of us have followed here to wean off of subs. Roberts plan was written for people who were inducting at a fairly low of subs and his plan will work for you also but as a long time sub user it is often necessary to taper a little slower then his plan calls for. Don't worry though I have seen people who were on subs at rather high doses for a few years and were still able to use the plan and succeed in getting off subs. Ken who I see you posted to asking for help comes to mind as I believe he was on subs for 3 plus years and was able to jump off subs by following the taper plan here just by doing a slower taper then the one outlined here by Robert. as Rose pointed out. You stated you have been at 2 mg a day for 2 days now and feel great. What dose were you at befor you dropped to 2 mg? What is very important here is that you stay at 2 mg a day until you are sure you are completely stable before attempting to drop any further. Rose pointed out your next drip would be to 1.5 mg if you drop 25 % of your current dose. I only used subs for 4 months so I was ok dropping 25% or close to it with my doses. If you can dose just once a day that would be good but if you choose to dose 2 times a day for now then that is fine also. Since you have been on subs 3 years your might be better of dropping to 1.75 or even 1 .6. as that would be a reduction which is moving forward. I really feel from reading hundreds of thread here over the last 16 months that after 3 years on subs a 25% drop might be jst a bit more then you should attempt right away. also the way day schedule after 3 years of sub use may be to short of a time to spend on 1 dose. I mentioned 1.6 because that would be a 20% drop and you could take a 8 mg strip and cut it into 5 equal pieces and have 5 1.6 pieces to work with. Just looking at different options for you to consider. Whats most important is to make sure you are stable at a dose befor considering dropping to your next dose. Please continue to post your progress and how you are feeling and we can take it from there. Talk with you later.

                Alex

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                • #9
                  Wow..Thanks everyone for their reply and i will apologize now for all of my run on sentences. Yes i been taking 1mg in the am and 1 in the pm. before i dropped to this i was taking 2mg in the am and 2 mg in the pm. I do feel that the first couple days were ok and now im on day 3 and haven't taken my dose yet and although i feel blah i do believe i can go another couple hours..

                  I want to also state that my bf of 10 is doing the same thing but for some odd reason he is able to go ALL day without taking anything. He only takes 1mg to sleep. He has been doing that for about 3 days. Maybe he is stronger than I. I dont know but I am proud of him and together at our own pace we will conquer this demon.

                  I should also tell everyone that I have 2 young energetic boys who demand a lot of my attention.. That is what scares me the most. Not being able to care for them when i decide its time to jump. Oh and this addiction has been a secret from everyone we know not even 1 person knows what we have been dealing with. That disappoints me more than anything.

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                  • #10
                    I replied with a nice long story and its is gone

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                    • #11
                      You dropped by .50% and that's a big drop, from 4mg. to 2mg. It's no wonder you are feeling some symptoms. Subs have a half-life of around 72 hours, so it takes almost that long to go into w/d from the sub for some. From 4mg. a drop of .25% would have been 3mg. It is not a matter of who is stronger when you're coming off subs. Everyone is different. Keep on eye on your symptoms because you dropped from quite a dose. You need to be stable at a dose before you drop and never should drop more than .25%. Keep your taper steady. If you do that, you should be fine all the way down. I won't promise no symptoms, but your symptoms should be relatively mild. Stay strong.

                      Peace,

                      Iloerose

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                      • #12
                        Are you taking your doses at the same time everyday? It's important to try to keep the level of sub in your system consistent. If you wait until you're feeling poorly you're going to feel unstable all the time. You need to take it on time, everyday, no matter what. Doing that helps minimize any w/d symptoms you may feel. If you're dosing twice a day try to take them 8-10 hours apart. Once a day is the best and subs are meant to be taken once a day, the twice a day thing is just for comfort. As addicts we are accustomed to reaching for a pill. But as you get down to smaller doses it will be much easier to dose once a day.

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                        • #13
                          ok i will start dosing once a day and stay at 2mg. my fear though is jumping off completely. i have set a goal to be off them by spring break in April. i can handle the symptoms between doses without a problem its just the fear of not taking them at all.. i think i mentioned it before but not one person knows of my situation besides my bf and i hope to keep it that way. i am just so darn scared that i wont be able to get out of bed when i completely stop taking them..

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jensondy View Post
                            ok i will start dosing once a day and stay at 2mg. my fear though is jumping off completely. i have set a goal to be off them by spring break in April. i can handle the symptoms between doses without a problem its just the fear of not taking them at all.. i think i mentioned it before but not one person knows of my situation besides my bf and i hope to keep it that way. i am just so darn scared that i wont be able to get out of bed when i completely stop taking them..
                            jen that is what the taper plan is designed for and that is to make the jump bearable. You mention you want to be off subs by spring break and if you follow the taper plan rest of the way it should be close to that. I would not rush the taper though just to be done by a certain date though. Rushing your taper could end up completely backfiring on you. Just be patient keep posting and stick with the taper plan. talk with you later.

                            Alex

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                            • #15
                              Thank you!! Yes i will strictly follow the taper plan.. I have never wanted something more in my whole entire life.. I want my life back.. this couch has held me prisoner for far to long.. i want a job, i want a social life, i want to go on vacations, i want to go out and work in my big beautiful yard that is now overgrown because of lack of motivation.. We (my bf and i) WILL do this... im still at the 2 mg right now.. think i will stay there another day or so.. The problem im facing is that my bf thinks its ok to take percocet in order to skip days.. My question is.. And i know its not recommended. Could we taper down and when we jump take a percocet or vicodin to ease the symptoms for a few days.. Nothing like what we were taking but say 1 pill just to ease it. I know i will not continue taking them i do not have the funds for it.. Also i have no desire to take them long term.. That is what got me here in the first place and I DONT WANT TO GO BACK!!

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