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  • Jumped from 3 mg

    Today is the first day I jump. I could not wait any longer, I was so sit and tired of using a crutch, suboxone brought down my sex drive to 0. I used to like to haves sex 5 times a day before anyone of this started. Granted I was younger and full of testosterone but now I have to force myself to do it and even have to take a Viagra and barely with that I can only finish the job and not always for her. I did not think I would ever have the courage to jump but I did it. On my way to work right now, hope this will keep me busy. At this point I really feel like it is better in life to die on your feet than live on your knees a slave. It feels so weird not to do something that I have been doing everyday for 8 years. But I did it. I want to think positive and really feel it is mostly mental. I will keep everyone posted. Please pray for me.

  • #2
    A couple of hours later and I getting some cold and hot flashes. I can't take my mind of the suboxone, I feel like I need it. I feel like if I don't have it something is missing. It's like an old friend that I don't want to let go off. I thought being at work will take my mind off it but it isn't. I am even watching reruns of an old show on amazon at work. Had a big breakfast this morning once I got to work and going to lunch in 20 minutes.

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    • #3
      Wow! Will Def pray for you and your not going to feel a lot different today or tomorrow because subs have a 72 hour half life. But I believe you will hit severe withdrawal soon which really isn't good. I honestly don't recommend it but I'm not a dr. But if you look thru and read the forums you should wean off of it.
      Wishing you the best!

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      • #4
        Welcome here sore . I can totally understand being tired of the sub as a crutch and wanting to hurry and be off it . 3mgs is still a strong dose though and it may set you up for a bad withdrawal and even failure this jump . I tried jumping off of 2mgs last spring , twice . Was the wrong answer for me and I wound up back on a much higher dose both times .. As Mammaj mentioned the half life of subs is long so you will probably have worse symptoms really kicking in day 3 . I am not trying to scare you but want you to know what most people experience from all that I've read here . Also I am not saying you can't handle it but I am curious if you have any more sub ? If so are you familiar with Roberts taper plan ? Most people , myself included , taper down to 1/4mg or less before jumping . A wise Lady shared we want to do this once and do It right so I wanted to pass that on . Whatever you decide keep posting here as the people here either have been thru or going thru it . I wish you the best .

        Ken

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        • #5
          Thank you for your reply. I have plenty of suboxone left. I have enough for 20 days and go to my doctor who will be more than happy to write me another script for 250 dollars all cash and no insurance. At this point I am feeling some withdrawals since I usually numb myself in the morning every day. I will go the taper route if it get too bad. I did this just to see if I can go 1 day without it. I have been using it for 8 years and it is slowly killing me. Can't feel any emotions, no highs and no lows, just numb. So I want to see what I can do without it. I have gone through I opiate withdraws before, It was he'll for 3 days, then I go on subs and have been on ever since. Part of me has no wanted to ever feel this pain again, it is hell on earth. I will keep everyone posted as the hours go by.

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          • #6
            Sore

            Are you familiar with Robert's taper plan? I will post it just in case you haven't seen it. I understand wanting to be done, but that's a very high dose and you will be sick for awhile. Subs aren't like regular opiates where the worst w/d's pass after the first 3 days.

            https://www.drugs.com/forum/featured...apy-50887.html

            Several of us used this plan and didn't miss work and have very minimal symptoms. We will support you no matter what you decide.

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            • #7
              I'm glad Sharks posted the taper plan for you and she's right: you've been on for 8 years AND jumped from a high dose of subs. The benefit of the taper is that it allows your brain and body to slowly mend before you jump. As you taper, you slowly decrease the amount of opiate (subs) in your body. So if you have to jump back on, it's no shame on you. If you decide to go through the w/d, we will support you. You should look at the Thomas Recipe for the c/t. Here are some things that will make you more comfortable:

              Immodium: not only helps with D, but contains a mild opiate that doesn't cross blood/brain barrier and will help you.
              Gatorade: hydration and RLS
              Hyland's Resful Leg or Hyland's Calme's Forte. You can also try some tonic water.
              Stay away from energy drinks, caffeine, soda, and drink OJ, water, and other pure fruit juices.
              For sleep: an OTC or melatonin, sleepy time tea STRONG. or Yogi's Kava tea to relax you.
              EXERCISE: so important in getting your natural endorphines working again. Do whatever you can even if it's a short walk.
              Hot baths, some use epsom salts.
              A good vitamin/mineral supplement. Potassium (RLS). B-12
              For energy try L-tyrosine with B-6 (b-6 helps L-t to metabolize)

              Even if you do decide to taper further from the 3mg., these things will help you. Whatever you decide, support is here.

              Peace,

              Iloerose

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              • #8
                Oh well, a set up, my mind was on it the whole day, I took a .25mg. I guess I was trying to lie to myself this morning. I think I will die on subxone. It's like my crutch. I was so proud of myself this morning and so determined, I lasted a good 6 hours. Wow I feel like a complete failure. For me it is as mental as it physical. Even though the.25 is not much, I felt so much better the second I put it under my tongue, it's like my body in that second felt great. So I know it is more mental fore than physical. I will see what tomorrow brings.

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                • #9
                  Thank you everyone for your support. I can't come clean to my wife to be so I need an out. I feel the forums really help.

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                  • #10
                    Sore

                    You are not a failure. Getting clean is very hard, it's even harder to stay clean. Are you attending meetings? That might also help you with the mental part.

                    Did you look at the taper plan I posted? It sounds like you are ready to get off subs, the taper plan will work well for you. If you start taking random doses you run the risk of not being stable and you'll feel even worse.

                    The items Rose mentions will help you with your symptoms if you decide to try c/t again.

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                    • #11
                      sore if you have been on subs for 8 years you do not want to jump at 3 mg. The longer one is on subs the tougher it is to get off of them. Without going into long details I just read last night an article by a Fla sub Dr who was addicted to fentanyl himself and used subs to get off fent. He detoxes people off of opiates in rather short amounts of time but when it comes to weaning them off of subs after long periods of use he has to do it slowly he stated. From what I gathered if you have been at 3 mg for awhile he would have you go to 2.5 mg for at least a week then if your ok at 2.5 mg after a week go to 2 mg. If you jump at 3 mg my guess is you are going to start suffering bad in 2 or 3 days. My best wishes to you.

                      Alex

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                      • #12
                        I have jumped again today. Yesterday I caved in at .25 but today my will is stronger. In order for a part of me to live, another part has to die. I have a choice, at any second I can take the subs but if make it just 1 day, 1 day 24 hours, It will be like a won a huge battle, I know I am still facing a battle ahead of me, but I want to feel alive again, I don't want to numb myself Anymore, I want to laugh, I want to cry, I want to feel what it feels like to be human again. Will post soon if this day passes

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                        • #13
                          Hey there. Like everyone already said, you're not weak or a failure. After 8 years, jumping off of 3 mg will be a nightmare. I've taken subs for 7 years and would never attempt a jump like that. You will do just fine if you follow the taper plan.

                          Good luck!
                          Kat

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                          • #14
                            Willpower does not work on substance abuse problems. Having and following a plan and getting support works. Try that, instead of repeating the same thing and expecting different results.

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                            • #15
                              As just about everyone has suggested, and they are very knowledgeable people: You are placing yourself in an impossible situation. You will cave again when the w/d gets bad and then go through that cycle of guilt again, needlessly. You are suffering needlessly. You need a plan: this includes tapering safely off of the sub, while at the same time putting together a support system to help you stay clean. I am not putting you down here, no one is, we are just trying to get you to seek a way to get off of subs in a way that will A) give you time to slowly wean the sub while B) give you time to put together a support to stay clean. When we are getting clean, we think that we will be back to who we were before we started this nightmare as soon as the w/d is over. And that of course the w/d cannot last forever (in your case it's probably going to last longer
                              than you think). You are having cravings for the sub because you are ADDICTED to the sub. You need to do this once and do it right and you CAN do this.

                              Peace,

                              Iloerose

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