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  • #91
    Ya alex..took .5 today first day of drop.... and ya i think i been having a little anxiety about everyday aches and pains and this pulled groin/ hernia...i haven'tgot it checked out i don't have medical insurance right now

    ill get it figured out...i think i am just more trying to get in the mentality that i don't need suboxone anymore but am realizing thaylt it did mask some pain and my body aches at such low doses...just anxiety and you being a guy figured you possibly had experiencd r with that....

    i was thinking about what infact led to my drug use cause it wasn't like one day i woke up and said i want to be a her oin addict ...

    to those of you that don't know back before my oldest son was born hell has it been ten years already? Damn.... at any rate

    i was working a lot cause i had just moved my girlfrind in with me aand she was pregnant.... we were trucking along as happy as can be till BAM! I get hurt at work.... i was working at two men and a truck 80hours a week at the time making BANK.....
    doctor puts me outta work and on to vicoden....ya it started with vicoden.

    long story short i go back to work after seeing some specialist and wat not and start taking oxycontin that my buddys wife had.... they took care of the pain alrite...

    started sniffinf the oxycontins for.bigger bang for my buck

    anyways started hanging.out with that crowd some.of which are dead or in prison by now BTW ....and found H..the horse....didn't take long before i was shooting it up....


    so ya this has destroyed my life for.ten years just about....

    on a positive note i do feel I've come full circle.with this and am ready to attempt life withought opiates....I'm not in my twenties anymore and feel.old...opiateswill do that...anyways...guess i woke up thinkinh about stuff as i always.do....just these low doses i feel pain and aches again and by golly thats what got me all messed up in the first place


    I'm wondering if meditation or acupuncture may help....or maybe the pains will.go away on they.own....maybe i just need to pray to be healed....I'm concerned and have anxiety about this i didn't think of how i would cope with pain i guess..f

    anyways that's my concern for the day lol

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    • #92
      Ps

      My current pain meds are ibuprofen which i can't find by the way...i have a script for the 800s i wonder if i should get that filled....

      also soak in epsom salt
      and have dpla for when i jump


      any other suggestions for good supplements/practices for pain managment...

      not trying to sound like a wus here....but its a key trigger for my addiction as i have just attempted to explain

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      • #93
        Hey Jay,

        It could just be because your body isn't yet producing enough endorphins and things of its own to mask that pain. I would get the ibuprofen 800's it would help a lot. I had really bad joint aches and pains weaning. It happens. There is a good chance once your body fully adjusts and starts making its own "pain blockers" you will adjust and not feel as achy. You gotta think for 10 years you were giving your body artificial pain blockers, so now its gotta do that on its own. You should adjust pretty fast. Your not that old that you'd be achy forever I felt the SAME way trust me. I was asking 70 year old women at CVS whats the best pain relieving cream...also they could've ran circles around me at the time. So just keep that in mind your body is adjusting it makes you feel old and weak and achy. That will pass! I feel way better now then I did during the wean which you'd think I'd feel worse with nothing in my system but my body just adjusted is all. You'll see. Potassium def is a must for the achy muscles...it helps. I'd def get that prescription filled for the ibuprofen and you can take it simultaneously with Tylenol. They are two different classes of drugs that can be taken together. (Just don't mix Ibuprofen with any other pain relievers...its an NSAID and you can overdose mixing other NSAID) But tylenol and Ibuprofen together are safe. You take the ibuprofen wait 2 hours and take the tylenol. (ibuprofen last 6 hours....tylenol 4 hrs) Keep doing that as needed. I took aleve religiously but any NSAID would do. Esp prescription strength that should take your pain away pretty well. Just remember it will pass! It sucks I know. Just get out of your own head your stuck like that forever, it just gets you down. Your too young for that...drug abuse or not. Just your body adjusting!

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        • #94
          Jay since your at .5 right now the taper plan says go to .375 but I see you mentioned .4 and that is what I was going to suggest. With the 8 mg strips you could cut them into four 2 mg pieces. Take one of them and try to cut 5 equal pieces with it. You could take the strip and fold it in half and just cut it a little beyond the half way mark and that would give you a .8 piece and a 1.2 piece. I know what a pain it is trying to do that and you probably wont get 5 equal pieces but over a 5 day period it would all equal out. I was glad I had a lot of extra strips stashed when I weaned off because I butchered a few up lol. Like gettingoverwith said your body is adjusting. be sure your keeping well hydrated and get extra potassium in your body. Talk with you later.

          Alex

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          • #95
            Hey everyone

            forgive me i haven't read any responses...I'm feeling a little rouf today just a quick update

            today is day 2 .5 ... i swear these drops kick me in the ass right away...i think i metablolize this stuff on the fast side (half life 20 hrs) I'm more on that end

            anyways don't really feel like bein social.. been emotional at these lower doses ..don't know how to deal with that

            just woke up feelin rouf stomach cramps restless legs itchy crawly ya know...its all back...

            positive note: made it to .5 and i did it this time withought benzos..
            haven't even taken one not even half of one....so should be able to stableize here in a few days

            i hope you all are doing well and have a good day ill back on here when i feel a little better..jay

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            • #96
              Hey Jay, sorry to hear its hitting you hard today. The emotional stuff is the worse I know...it def doesn't help with trying to stay positive. Your clonidine should be coming soon right? I read that helps with all the things you mention your feeling, at least taking care of the physical symptoms would alleviate some of the negative emotions right now. You will stabilize soon and feel much better when you do. Could be you just dropped a little too soon. Hope you feel better soon though, take it easy.

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              • #97
                Hey ther..gettin it over with how you doing today! Ill come check your thread out in a little bit


                ya i have my clonidine got it about a month ago but ya it takes a few weeks to get here...

                anyway ya been kinda a emotional rollercoaster ...you can probably tell by my posts...
                anyway i was able to pull myself out of the funk from this morning abd yesterday....

                its like one min I'm happy as can be and the next deep depression....guess with the suboxone wearing off these emotions I'm not used too


                anyway broke out the big guns after breakfast

                took with a banana and bowl of rasin bran the following


                2 mg lopermide
                .5 mg clonidine
                250 mg taurine
                250 mg choline
                12 Mg noopept
                100 mg adrenifil
                3 cups coffee
                hot shower


                currently sitting outside in the sun its 70 degrees out

                feel almost good actually..looking forward to my next drop... this is completely managable altho uncomfortable at times

                gonna try to enjoy the day and maybe even excersize if i can motivate myself..

                anyways.. thanks for asking at any rate...hope your having a good day and all.is well...jay

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                • #98
                  Ps did NOT take the benzos altho it crossed my mind...been keeping them in safe and ther they will stay...(for now)...I'm haven't been able to flush them cause i keep thinking when i jump i won't be able to sleep.....

                  But i suppose i will only take one ir half if one if I'm absolutely desperate and can't sleep for days... i know that i shouldn't just being honest about my current state of mind neway still benzo free at least. jay

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                  • #99
                    Lol...its def the withdrawals talking Jay. With the emotions. My poor husband...one min I was crying, the next I was laughing. Depressed in the morning and then overly syked by noon for the taper. LOL Its def a roller coaster to say the least. I'd forewarn your wife for her own sake lol. And damn 3 cups of coffee!!!! LOL You weren't playing around today. I always forget about good old coffee. I used to be so addicted, but I loved it. With the french vanilla creamer... Delicious. Mornings were the worst during my taper. I really believe all the vitamins help though, because before they kicked in I always felt worse early in the morning. Glad to hear your feeling better though! I'm doing ok today I woke up feeling a little draggy and more tired. Day 4 since my last dose I guess its to be expected but all the other symptoms are g-o-n-e. Thank jesus. Whew, the cold/hot flashes were the worst. I'm hanging in there though. The taurine kicked in and def feel better. Anyways I'm off to get some stuff done around here, enjoy your sunday!

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                    • Jay: you will find yourself laughing, crying, moody: that's a good thing!!!! It means you are getting BETTER. Good lord, I found myself a basket case at inappropriate times and then laughing my head off! Remember: life on life's terms. It's kinda scary when you've been dulling your emotions for so many years, though.
                      Enjoy the day!

                      Peace,

                      Iloerose

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                      • Super moody Rose....lol. My mood is just finally starting to settle. My famous words to my husband is "Do you want to get punched in the face today?" LOL He would just say Wow your emotional lol...but I forewarned him so he knew why. Songs were the WORST omg. I'd have to change the song or I'd find myself crying down the highway wiping away tears before I had to drop my kids off at school LOL. I agree with Rose though it means your breaking through the fog! Getting to feel again! Which can be exciting also. I have a distinct memory of being out with the family doped up on Suboxone and just NOT laughing the entire night. I felt like a zombie. I laugh at EVERYthing. I laugh at the stupidest things usually. It is good to laugh again and not be numb. I bet you'll be happier then you've been in a long time once you get through this "funk".

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                        • @gettin it over with...so you on day 4 no sub at all? You sound like your doing relatively well... that's awesome!'! Keep up the positive outlook...
                          @rose...thanks for reminding me this is normal...the emotions

                          Definately takes determination to do this...
                          Ya i been irritable lethargic lazy etc think i just need rest...
                          I am gonna try to make this 8mg film my last...been thinking all day how to cut it up

                          my next drop is gonna be in a few days to .4 then .3 and so on so i can be done soon


                          I'm convinced this little bit isn't doing much for me anyway...

                          my leg is annoying the hell out of me its a dull aching radiating pain from my hip to my heael...hurts worse when i walk or bend over...this is by far my worst symptom and has me pretty depressed... i just hope it goes away soon or imma call.into.work t

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                          • Anyway how hard is it to go from .5 to say .125?...i think imma try to do that over the next week or two..think that's a good idea...I'm just sick of the rollercoaster and ready to start healing thanks jay

                            ps...as soon as i feel a bit better ill check out your threads to see how everyone doing...i haven't even left my house today except for back yard...trying to give my brain and body rest...

                            I did feel better after those morning supplements....but its still no magic cure ya know...now I'm just trying to decide what to do for sleep...sharks fan suggested reading a book which i mite do after i type this

                            but today a supplement day still couldn't find my ibuprofen and scared to take asprin if you can beleive that cause its toxic to liver


                            thinking about taking the other half of a clonidine and a melatonine actually gonna take a few cause the 1mg each

                            ill report back tomorroo and hopefully wake up on other side of bed...i really think i just need rest....

                            have a good nite everyone Jay

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                            • Originally posted by jayryan View Post
                              Anyway how hard is it to go from .5 to say .125?...i think imma try to do that over the next week or two..think that's a good idea...I'm just sick of the rollercoaster and ready to start healing thanks jay

                              ps...as soon as i feel a bit better ill check out your threads to see how everyone doing...i haven't even left my house today except for back yard...trying to give my brain and body rest...

                              I did feel better after those morning supplements....but its still no magic cure ya know...now I'm just trying to decide what to do for sleep...sharks fan suggested reading a book which i mite do after i type this

                              but today a supplement day still couldn't find my ibuprofen and scared to take asprin if you can beleive that cause its toxic to liver


                              thinking about taking the other half of a clonidine and a melatonine actually gonna take a few cause the 1mg each

                              ill report back tomorroo and hopefully wake up on other side of bed...i really think i just need rest....

                              have a good nite everyone Jay
                              Jay,

                              I know you're getting restless and want the taper to be over. However, I seriously advise you not to go from .5 mg to .125 mg. That's a huge reduction and you will absolutely feel it. Now is the time to be patient and follow the taper plan. You may think that .5 mg isn't doing anything, but trust me, it is. I've seen other members here get frustrated at the end and try to speed up the process by reducing too much ...and they almost always end up going back up to the dose they were at. The plan works. You have to trust it.

                              I can relate to the emotional stuff. That's part of the process too. I know it's difficult. Hang in there, follow the taper plan, and you'll do just fine.

                              Kat

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                              • Originally posted by jayryan View Post
                                Anyway how hard is it to go from .5 to say .125?...i think imma try to do that over the next week or two..think that's a good idea...I'm just sick of the rollercoaster and ready to start healing thanks jay

                                ps...as soon as i feel a bit better ill check out your threads to see how everyone doing...i haven't even left my house today except for back yard...trying to give my brain and body rest...

                                I did feel better after those morning supplements....but its still no magic cure ya know...now I'm just trying to decide what to do for sleep...sharks fan suggested reading a book which i mite do after i type this

                                but today a supplement day still couldn't find my ibuprofen and scared to take asprin if you can beleive that cause its toxic to liver


                                thinking about taking the other half of a clonidine and a melatonine actually gonna take a few cause the 1mg each

                                ill report back tomorroo and hopefully wake up on other side of bed...i really think i just need rest....

                                have a good nite everyone Jay
                                Jay it wont hurt you to take a couple of asprin for 1 day. Its acectaminophen that is hard on the liver and even taking that for 1 day is not going to be toxic to your liver. You mentioned going from .5 to .125 and I would not try that in one drop. I know you want to get this taper over with and that is very common. I have read a lot of threads of people dropping to fast at the end of there taper or jumping to soon and it backfires on them and they end up having to go back on subs or they start using again. The object of tapering to a low amount is so that when you do jump you land as softly as possible. .I think you should consider at least going down to .25 before you start skipping days and see how it goes from there. Hope you can get some good sleep tonight and will talk with you later.

                                Alex

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