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    I've been taking suboxone for about six and a half years and I am really ready to try and get clean. I've been taking 8 mg since pretty much the beginning. I think I started at 12 mg maybe, and then found a base at 8 mg. I'm not sure, to be honest, I just know I've been on a steady diet of 8 mg for a long, long time. I fear that my body has adjusted and in order to really beat my depression I need to either increase the dose or taper off. Increasing is just putting off the inevitable and making it harder in the long run. I'm highly motivated to continue this taper.

    Right now I am taking 5 mg, its been two plus days of 5 so far. I went down just a mg at a time and waited 5-6 days at 7 and then 10-11 days at 6. I have definately been feeling it, that old familiar nemesis. But it really hasn't been bad at all, especially when I think of the days of CT. I am happy to say it is manageable, just uncomfortable. I am going thru the first part of the physical on this step down and decided to pick up some loperamide at the grocery store as I needed to buy some apples and bananas. I also got several fresh vegetables to cook up in the next few days. It makes sense that really trying to eat right would help. I just haven't been able to motivate to exercise, I told myself today that if I have not started exercising on a schedule by the time I'm down to 4 mg than I can't continue until I am. Hopefully, this motivation to get off subs will transfer over to starting exercise back up! I want it so bad, but right now I really fear the anxiety and depression, especially at lower levels. The anxiety just sucks, I'm not used to the anxiety. Depression is unfortunately pretty familiar. I don't know if that makes it harder, or easier, honestly. I am just going to go real slow, I guess. I felt good for a couple days on 6 finally, so I went down to 5. Planning on a long break from the taper at 4 mg. It's half my strip and easy, plus going lower honestly intimidates me. If anyone has a second to give me advice or encouragement; I'd be greatful. Thanks for reading at least.

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    Hey! I am also in the final stages of a long taper. I went from 16 mgs down to 3 mgs and havent had to many issues. I actually feel the same at 3 as I did at 16. I have been tapering veeeery slowly though. I to worry about what its going to be like once I made the jump off. There have been times in the past where I didnt follow my taper properly and run out of meds before my next appt and had a rough few days so I know for me personally, cold turkey or jumping to soon wouldnt work for me. Slow and steady wins the race they say! I can say the jump down the last few months have been easy and I never even noticed the drop. I have an amazing sub doctor who is letting me go at my own pace and thats a huge relief knowing I dont have to freak thinking I am running out of time before I am out of meds and have no more options and need to taper quickly. Its a tough mental battle at times but I am happy with the pace and my progress! I have been on subs for long time. I try not to obsess over tapering every month and just go with it and I think that helps alot.

    Subs saved my life and I havent had a relapse throughout my whole treatment and gone back to oxycontin. I dont even think about oxys or any pills at all. Zero cravings for all these years has been wonderful. It gave me the time I needed to completely turn my life around and get far away from the drug buddies and drug life. I think a positive attitude and not obsessing about being on subs or getting off subs helps alot. I never felt foggy, high or abused subs. I just feel normal on them. I take my dose in the morning and forget about it till the next day. It will be nice to be off them and every month I get closer!

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    • #3
      I wanted to add, when I initially drop down at the beginning of every month, if I do happen to feel icky the first week, I dont panic or get anxious and blame it all on withdrawals. I chock it up to a bad day, or to many hours on my feet and take some advil or a nap and feel better. I have a physically demanding job so its easy to say, 9 hours standing and moving around constantly can make ya achy and feeling run down. I think I would go nuts if I sat and obsessed about how icky I feel in that moment and thinking its withdrawals. Thats the mental part of it for me. I blame it on the hours of physical labor I did that morning, take a rest, and feel better after a hot shower, a meal and some tv time =) huge help during the taper process!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MadMax03801 View Post
        I've been taking suboxone for about six and a half years and I am really ready to try and get clean. I've been taking 8 mg since pretty much the beginning. I think I started at 12 mg maybe, and then found a base at 8 mg. I'm not sure, to be honest, I just know I've been on a steady diet of 8 mg for a long, long time. I fear that my body has adjusted and in order to really beat my depression I need to either increase the dose or taper off. Increasing is just putting off the inevitable and making it harder in the long run. I'm highly motivated to continue this taper.

        Right now I am taking 5 mg, its been two plus days of 5 so far. I went down just a mg at a time and waited 5-6 days at 7 and then 10-11 days at 6. I have definately been feeling it, that old familiar nemesis. But it really hasn't been bad at all, especially when I think of the days of CT. I am happy to say it is manageable, just uncomfortable. I am going thru the first part of the physical on this step down and decided to pick up some loperamide at the grocery store as I needed to buy some apples and bananas. I also got several fresh vegetables to cook up in the next few days. It makes sense that really trying to eat right would help. I just haven't been able to motivate to exercise, I told myself today that if I have not started exercising on a schedule by the time I'm down to 4 mg than I can't continue until I am. Hopefully, this motivation to get off subs will transfer over to starting exercise back up! I want it so bad, but right now I really fear the anxiety and depression, especially at lower levels. The anxiety just sucks, I'm not used to the anxiety. Depression is unfortunately pretty familiar. I don't know if that makes it harder, or easier, honestly. I am just going to go real slow, I guess. I felt good for a couple days on 6 finally, so I went down to 5. Planning on a long break from the taper at 4 mg. It's half my strip and easy, plus going lower honestly intimidates me. If anyone has a second to give me advice or encouragement; I'd be greatful. Thanks for reading at least.
        Hi there and welcome!

        I'm still in the process of my taper...got one skip day under my belt working towards another. My last dose was at .0612 (half of .125mg which is like 1/16th of 1 mg....something like that Anyways I started from 2 mg...but I've heard from 2 mg to 8mg you don't feel AS big of a difference tapering. Just the lower doses get a wee bit trickier BUT not hard by far. You can do anything you put your mind to remember that What you want will happen, its just up to you in the end to follow through. A word of advice, don't let fear of the unknown stop you. You never know how strong you really are until you have no choice then to be otherwise. Just tell yourself quitting is not an option. Throw that out the window quitting the taper that is Quitting Subs is an Option! A lot of people can vouch they felt like Suboxone actually made them feel depressed. I surely know it did for me. So stay positive and just chalk up to the depression to the suboxone. NOT withdrawals. Once you get this stuff out your system the sun will be brighter and life will be happier! You'll be free. Whats not to be happy about. Check out some of our threads. Theres some long time users on here that broke free. I never saw a complaint about the PAWS more so happy to be off the stuff and living life! How you think you feel, you will feel. Mind over matter. Just think of how worse off you could feel and keep pushing through. Everyday gets easier! Hope you stick around and the threads help ease your anxiety! Its a lot easier then you want to believe! Good luck!

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        • #5
          There's a taper plan that most of us use to get off subs. I'm posting from my phone so I can't post the link to the plan right now, but I will soon. It was written by retired member Robert_325.

          To give you an idea: the plan calls for a reduction of 25% at each drop. You only drop when you're stable. Stable means having little to no WD symptoms. For example, if you're currently at 5 mg, your next drop will be to 3.75 mg, and so on.

          The plan recommends reducing every 4 days. However, long-time sub users need to taper at a slower pace. Some people drop every 7 days. It depends how quickly you stabilize at each new dose. You'll know when it's time to reduce each dose. Listen to your body.

          Exercise, eating well and staying hydrated are key during a taper.

          Kat

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          • #6
            Welcome MadMax and Raven! If you wanted some motivational help, Raven and Gettin' sure have put that down! That's the attitude to have: stay positive. Getting off subs CAN be done. Kat gives the best advice and I have the taper plan for you guys:

            https://www.drugs.com/forum/featured...apy-50887.html

            Take a read and see what you think. One thing I heard from both of you and it's true that with sub less can be more. Subs have a very long half life. Raven: I suggest you start your own thread so you have a journal of your taper, plus it will be easier to respond individually if you have questions. MadMax: take heart, opiates hijack so many of the natural chemical processes, that depression can actually be caused by the drug. EXERCISE. Drink plenty of water, pure fruit juices. Stay positive, you couldn't have two better taper buddies on here, and you will find plenty of support here from Kat, Alex, Sharks, and they really know their stuff. Get set... Get ready... You can do this.

            Peace,

            Iloerose

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            • #7
              Originally posted by iloerose View Post
              Welcome MadMax and Raven! If you wanted some motivational help, Raven and Gettin' sure have put that down! That's the attitude to have: stay positive. Getting off subs CAN be done. Kat gives the best advice and I have the taper plan for you guys:

              https://www.drugs.com/forum/featured...apy-50887.html

              Take a read and see what you think. One thing I heard from both of you and it's true that with sub less can be more. Subs have a very long half life. Raven: I suggest you start your own thread so you have a journal of your taper, plus it will be easier to respond individually if you have questions. MadMax: take heart, opiates hijack so many of the natural chemical processes, that depression can actually be caused by the drug. EXERCISE. Drink plenty of water, pure fruit juices. Stay positive, you couldn't have two better taper buddies on here, and you will find plenty of support here from Kat, Alex, Sharks, and they really know their stuff. Get set... Get ready... You can do this.

              Peace,

              Iloerose
              Hey Rose sorry to butt in...lol. I was hoping to find you somewhere! Could you peep in on my thread and help me out with my question?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GettinItOverWith View Post
                Hey Rose sorry to butt in...lol. I was hoping to find you somewhere! Could you peep in on my thread and help me out with my question?
                PS: Rose is pretty awesome also shes been there done that and got the T shirt!

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                • #9
                  Wow, I told myself not to expect a response today. You guys are great! Thank you. I have been reading other threads for a few days and today I decided I really needed to check in. I've been feeling >>>>>> and I need to stay positive. I can do this. I've read Robert_325's taper plan and I like it. I've dropped down a little lower than that, first time 12.5%, then about 14%. A few days ago was almost 17% and I think I will keep it less than that from here. I will also need more time on each dose, I am sure of that! The hardest thing is that this is a marathon, to say the least. Compared to the 5k of oxys or one-miler for >>>>>>. Not nearly as intense, but it still really gets to me.
                  Raven, thanks for the quick response. It's nice to know I am not alone, even though I know that, it is cool to really know that. I'm glad that you have a job to distract you. Physical work is the best, really. I had a job for a few years as a sub-contractor and it did feel good to put in a hard day's work. I miss that in my career choice. Right now, I am unemployed and it is a long day. It gives me lots of time to notice how I feel, unfortunately.
                  Gettin, thank you for the words of encouragement. It definately does help to hear about people feeling better once off subs. I'm pretty convinced that these haven't been helping with my constant fatigue, low level of energy and depression. I've tried everything with my doctor to treat it. Last year, I did ECT (electro-convulsive therapy) in two different sets of 8-10 treatments. Once in the spring and again in the fall. It was the second set in the fall where I lost my job. I had used all of my FMLA leave between the illness and then to get it treated. They wouldn't let me work while I was getting the treatments and then rejected my request for leave, knowing that it was to treat my mental illness! I was so pissed off at them, all I want is to get better. I hate being unemployed, it isn't good for anyone. But it is ridiculous how hard it is to find a full-time position right now. I've kind of given up and I am instead focusing on getting this monkey off my back. It's time.

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                  • #10
                    I just want to say welcome Max and Raven! You will find lots of advice, support, and encouragement here. I myself am down to .75 from 8-12mgs of suboxone a day. And I am so far still feeling great. Just like Raven said, sub saved my life, but now it is time to get off. If I can do this, anyone can. We can't be on this stuff forever. I wish both of you the best of luck and look forward to hearing how it goes for y'all. (Sorry, I'm from the South!)

                    Ps. Max, I wonder if some of the depression will go away when you get lower/and ultimately get off the sub. It's possible?!

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                    • #11
                      I have found keeping busy on my days off helps keep my mind off the whole process. For me, what I discovered is if I obsessed about being on subs, getting off subs, etc. Then it made me have bad anxiety and that made me feel worse about everything. We can go slow together and keep each other in check! I had a great day today and feel really good. I read through the posts on this site and was really encouraged by peoples taper success stories. One more day down in this process! We CAN do it! Night all!

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                      • #12
                        Max! You out there? Just checking in to see how your day is so far. I had a burst of energy last night (refuse to call it insomnia). My body needs to figure out that energy bursts need to happen when I get OUT of bed, not in it! Lol had a short 5 am to 11 am shift today so I have the rest of the day to blow. Nap is on the list for sure! Got maybe 3 hours of sleep before work. How is your depression? Hopefully your having a good day so far =) maybe this will put a smile on your face, I literally work at a zoo as an animal care specialist. Today, all reptile enclosures get a deep clean (every Thursday), and a python wasnt to happy I had to move her lazy ass to a holding tank while I cleaned her house. She "musked" me right in the face. I had to smell snake poop all morning because it got in my hair. It smells awful! So if your day isnt to good, just think, its better than smelling like snake poop!

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                        • #13
                          Hey Max: I hope your day is going well. Keeping as busy as you can and really trying to push yourself to motivate outdoors and walk, even if it's down the block a few steps and back, doesn't have to be anything big. Just get out an notice the new spring, count the cars or the cracks in the sidewalk. Even mild exercise will help both with the depression and anxiety. But I know the feeling. You know the old physics thing: a body in motion stays in motion and a body at rests stays at rest, or something like that. I know it's getting the "push" and it sounds easier than it is, but it will help.

                          For the lethargy people take L-tyrosine with b-6 (got to have the b-6 to metabolize the L-t. I still use a product that has the L-t: Boost by Irwin Naturals. For anxiety try serene l-theanine or just valerian root. I also use Yogi brand Kava Stress Relief tea. Please don't go by "days" as far as dropping. Go by how you feel, let your body be your guide. Being stable before a drop is crucial and will help in the days to come when you get to lower doses. Slow and steady wins this race. If you do this right, you do it once. We have come to believe that people who have been on as long as you have really benefit by a slower taper. I see that you are doing that. Have you read Kat's thread? Iwantoff is the name and the thread is PLEASE HELP ME -subutex taper. Also Ken2727's Own Thread. It says my screen name, but he needed help at the time to make the thread.

                          I hope your day is going well.

                          Peace,

                          Iloerose

                          Raven: You are the sunshine peeping through the clouds. I had to laugh about the snake, you must have SOME stories to tell :0

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                          • #14
                            Ah yes, I have many stories that would have you in tears. Working with animals has taught me to be prepared for anything, and laugh when you get covered in poop. Cant tell you how many times I've had to run into a store after work and overheard customers behind me in line turn to their friend and ask "do you smell something funny?", and I crack up inside because I know its me! Hahaha! Lmao!

                            It sure helps my mental attitude being able to just roll with life and LAUGH! Laughter is the best medicine and so is spending time with animals. I encourage folks who are going through this process to volunteer at a shelter. Its amazing how powerful animals are for your mental health. They dont judge and make great listeners. As a matter of fact, there are a few lizards out there who know all my thoughts and secrets! =)

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                            • #15
                              Hi guys, I wrote this last night and then the computer froze! I was too frustrated so I came back to it this morning and realized that the auto-save kept most of my post intact!! Neat, I like it. So, the following is yesterday:

                              Well, today actually turned out pretty good, especially considering how it started. I woke up earlier than usual this morning, which usually is a good thing. I've been trying to get up earlier. Of course, this morning I really wanted to keep sleeping because my legs were hurting and I felt the WD. Nothing terrible, but still uncomfortable. Once I got out of bed and got moving I did start to feel a little better. I kept pretty busy today and made sure to eat a good lunch. I took 2 mg before lunch and that helped the afternoon quite a bit. I am working towards getting back to a single dose per day. At the beginning of the taper I was even dosing three times a day, but I've read here and it makes sense that I should try to get used to once a day. I'm sure it will make it easier mentally, especially once I get lower. With some encouragement from my neighbor I was able to make it outside today. It was just wonderful, almost 70 degrees!! The sun was bright and the sky was blue. I love those days. I actually bagged a couple bags of leaves too. This feels good because since the snow has melted I've been looking at the windswept piles in the backyard and feeling guilty. I did not have the energy to take care of much of the leaves last fall. Anyhow, after the leaves I went and got some things we need at the grocery store and when I got back my wife and child were home. I also have smoked a couple less cigarettes today. I started smoking again about 10 days ago and the past few days I was smoking more than ever. I can't tell if the cigarettes really help or just make me more anxious, it's hard to tell sometimes. Thank you Iloerose and Raven. It's nice to be in touch with people who understand the feeling. Iloerose, I recognize your name from some other threads I've been reading through, with Kat, and Alex and some others. I enjoyed hearing about the snake, Raven. My wife calls me the "animal whisperer" because dogs and cats tend to like me when we meet. I do have a soft spot for animals.

                              Hopefully tomorrow will be even better. A few more days of 5 mg and then I'll consider going down to 4.5 or 4. Once at 4, I plan to stay there for a couple weeks and take some real time adjusting. Thanks for the responses. It helps to know that there are people out there who know how I feel. A Radiohead lyric comes to mind, "You do it to yourself, you do, and that's why it really hurts." Through-out all my therapy I've been learning to forgive myself, I don't know why it is so damn difficult, but it is...

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