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    Thank everyone on this forum for posting you all help so many people and I myself am very great full.. Second time putting myself threw this. First time went ct at around 2mg that was the worst thing ever. This time I followed Roberts plan and I'm down to .25 in day 3. I'm trying to get threw this before I have a surgery next month on the 15th. Does anyone here know if I will be ok going threw a surgery right after coming off soboxon? I been very worried over this. Thanks all

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    Hi Bob! Welcome to the board. I am also on my day 3 of .25.

    So. I am gonna say STOP WORRYING! You will be fine in surgery. If you keep doing what you are doing you will be completely off the sub by May 15.

    Now, I'm no expert. And I usually don't like to give advice bc I rely on it myself from others. And I don't want to steer anyone wrong. But I'm pretty sure you'll be ok. I have actually had surgery while on suboxone. A few years ago....before I researched it and I was honestly just plain dumb. I didn't realize I was probably playing with FIRE. I didn't even tell the dr.'s that I was on it. How stupid was that. I won't go into detail on the way I ended up doing it, unless you just want to know...but the point is I came out fine. The dr did say I had the highest tolerance to pain meds he had ever seen, whatever that means. I kept hurting and needing more meds while in recovery. But I think you will be ok at this low a dose and plus being completely off. I am not an expert!! Just sharing my experience! Someone with more knowledge will post soon.

    Also, just FYI, when I got home little 'ole LORATAB 7.5's stopped my pain. I couldn't believe that. So beware of the pain pills when you get home. Don't get addicted again. Myself....I gave my husband my bottle of pain meds and he despenced them out to me every 4 hours as needed. If you have someone to do that, it's a good idea.

    Good luck!

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    • #3
      Btw I'm just curious. How long have you been on the sub and do you plan to go down to .125? Just curious since we are on the same day and dose.

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      • #4
        Bob, so glad you posted! And congrats on getting down to .25

        You and miss auburn girl will do great!
        I, myself (well and my hubby) are at .33 (just dropped to that today).

        Like auburn said- once you have your surgery, if needed, have someone dole out the pain meds. Can I ask what type if surgery? Is it minor or major? Good luck! We are rooting for you!
        And welcome here . Glad you posted!

        Rose

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        • #5
          Thank you both very much for replying....
          I started messing with the hydros around five years ago. Got up to between 15 to 20 a day then a friend introduced me to the sobs about two years ago. Been on them ever since. Besides about 4 months. That was 4 or 5 months ago.
          This time around I kinda knew better so I kept a pretty low doses. 2mg was the highest and came right down to 1mg or less per day.
          Started this taper bout 2 weeks ago. Been lowering dose 25% every 4/5 days. It's been going pretty good. I was wanting to start skip days this weekend but now I'm considering going a little lower before I start skipping days.
          My up coming surgery is a partial fusion in my hand. They're removing a bone then fusing some bones around that one. I'm expecting to be in some pretty good pain for a while and my goal is to get threw it without the narcotics. I'm going to try my best anyhow.
          I could keep going on but I have to get to working..
          Thanks again for the comments and support,, very great full for it..
          And congratulations to you both. Where your at is extremely hard to get to and you both have to be very proud...
          Thanks again,, I'll check back later..

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          • #6
            Hey ther... congrads on your progress!
            .25 is great and sounds like you been doing the taper excactly the way its supposed to be done...

            i too tried to stop subs at 2mg before and ya that didn't work...

            as far as pain and surgury... i haven't had any major surgery but i do have a lot of pain and aches and had a few teeth extracted but i told the doctor and dentist NO opiates...

            i would simply bring this up to your doctor and see if they can control the pain withlittle to no.narcotics ..

            i do approve of opiatess for surgury and pain...but if you have addiction issues then i understand the concern.


            i don't know ya but you seem.intelligent....hopefully your doctor understands you don't want to get addicted..

            I'm.sure you already know this and have thought about it...anyways welcome to the forum and its good to see other people getting off opiates..i get excited everytime i see another person man up and tackle this...jay

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            • #7
              Hey, I guess I'll add that my surgery was laparoscopic gall bladder removal. I don't know if that matters that yours sounds a little more complicated than mine was. But I was fine. Take care, Bob. You should be very proud of yourself, too.

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              • #8
                Thank you jay for the positive comments and encouragement.. It's very appreciated here..
                I haven't talked to my dr about anything that has to do with my addiction. Actually nobody knows I have kept it from absolutely everyone in my world.
                It's hard going threw this without having people to talk with regarding this issue..
                You great people are the first ones I have every let in on my situation.
                I am forever great full for this forum and people like you folks...
                Thank you again..

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                • #9
                  Thank you auburn, your reply is very appreciated.. It's a relief knowing I should be ok.. Reading all you guys post make me and a lot of other people out there happy knowing kicking this >>>> is possible without going threw hell to get there..

                  Thank you all,,

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bob631 View Post
                    Thank you jay for the positive comments and encouragement.. It's very appreciated here..
                    I haven't talked to my dr about anything that has to do with my addiction. Actually nobody knows I have kept it from absolutely everyone in my world.
                    It's hard going threw this without having people to talk with regarding this issue..
                    You great people are the first ones I have every let in on my situation.
                    I am forever great full for this forum and people like you folks...
                    Thank you again..
                    It is tough when the addiction is a secret (what I have learned about myself is that "my secrets keep me sick", so that's why I started looking up support and taking steps to help take the power out of my addiction)..
                    My husband and I are both fighting this beast... We have been for about 4.5 years. Anything and everything when it comes to pills- we'd buy and eat. So disgusting thinking back on it actually. This coming Saturday will be 4 weeks since we have touched pills. (patting myself on the back lol.. It has been hard.. I have tried quitting several times, and fallen back onto my ass, begging for pills) <--- One of the hardest things, guilt wise, is all of the $$ we have spent (rent money, food money etc....) We never really went "without", BUT let's put it this way- I could have bought a brand new car with the amount we spent this last year ALONE! We took over the business I worked at for 8 years (took over almost 2 years ago), and I think that helped take our addiction to the next level. Spend spend spend! And that harsh reality is that our "hook ups" won't ever be like "Hey guys, you sure are using a heck of a lot".. Oh no! They come running to us when they need a quick $400-500... Ugh. Sorry for the long post. Just really happy you are here with us! I think the reason I started typing all of this, was because you mentioned that no one knows. It makes me sad to know that people are going thru this alone. It's hard to fight the beast unless you build an army against it....

                    My army (as of right now)-
                    1) I rid my house, purse, car, work etc of ANY pills (i had to find all of my stash spots- first time flushing pills in my life)
                    2) I came clean to a few of my friends and family. They are being very supportive (I think I am actually helping a friend of mine who wants to get off of alcohol.. so that makes me feel real good)
                    3) I have gone to meetings (only once a week, but right now that is what is working. I am trying to find other meetings that will work with my schedule.. I brought my 3 year old to the meeting last Saturday)
                    4) I get on this forum!!!! I seriously love you guys!! Thank you.
                    5) I told a bunch of our hook ups (basically ones we have ran into- this is a small town I live in, 16,000 people.. it's not like a big city or anything)... said we are DONE, and please stay away, and I don't want to hear the word "pill" whatsoever (they ask us if we have any, or if we want to buy).

                    Again, sorry for the long post.... I feel really good this morning! My energy and clarity is coming back more everyday. Dropped to .33 yesterday, and so far so good. I think I eff'ed my dose up this morning (too small of an amount), but whatever (it's hard to get em small lol).

                    Good to see ya back on here Bob! Take care!

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                    • #11
                      Thank you rose, I truly appreciate your help here.. I thank The Lord for people like you and everyone else on here trying to help them self and others..
                      Hope your still feeling better with your drop.. It's good to hear. If you continue to take your time tapering you should continue feeling better n better everyday..
                      Congratulations on your progress!!
                      I'm feeling pretty good myself, better then yesterday,, I think I was a little lite on my dose yesterday, it was definitely a little rougher then today..
                      Like I said in my first post I jumped last time at 2mg.. I was in pain in so many different was for over a month. Was the worst thing I had ever went threw. Never missed a day at work and had to take care of my two children the whole time.. Im a single father raising them so I had to dig deep and keep everything together..
                      I still can't believe I got myself back into this whole but I'm in the finally stages of digging my way back out once and for all,, and forever!!!!
                      I will never touch this >>>> again..
                      I thank god daily for the gift of finding this forum and Roberts taper..
                      That man deserves a Nobel peace prize for the gift he has given us all..

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                      • #12
                        I hope everyone is having a great day... We have so much happiness to look forward to, free and clean...
                        God bless you all,, ill be prying for you all..it feels great to be able to talk about this.. Thank again

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bob631 View Post
                          Thank you rose, I truly appreciate your help here.. I thank The Lord for people like you and everyone else on here trying to help them self and others..
                          Hope your still feeling better with your drop.. It's good to hear. If you continue to take your time tapering you should continue feeling better n better everyday..
                          Congratulations on your progress!!
                          I'm feeling pretty good myself, better then yesterday,, I think I was a little lite on my dose yesterday, it was definitely a little rougher then today..
                          Like I said in my first post I jumped last time at 2mg.. I was in pain in so many different was for over a month. Was the worst thing I had ever went threw. Never missed a day at work and had to take care of my two children the whole time.. Im a single father raising them so I had to dig deep and keep everything together..
                          I still can't believe I got myself back into this whole but I'm in the finally stages of digging my way back out once and for all,, and forever!!!!
                          I will never touch this >>>> again..
                          I thank god daily for the gift of finding this forum and Roberts taper..
                          That man deserves a Nobel peace prize for the gift he has given us all..
                          Hi Bob. Good to see you're following the taper plan and doing well. I loved what you said about Robert--I agree! Kudos to you for getting through this as a single father!

                          You asked about subs and surgery. I had my first back surgery in 2007 while taking subs. Well, actually, I had quit taking subs for a few days and was back on morphine and norco which my pain doc prescribed because I was in excruciating pain (couldn't walk, was stuck in a "bent over" position because a nerve was literally being flattened by 2 herniated discs). My surgery wasn't "scheduled", it just happened after years of chronic back and sciatic pain that finally came to a head. Anyway, my point is, once I got to the hospital and was admitted they started administering pain meds. NOTHING was working because I had such a tolerance to opiates, plus I'd been on subs for a year or so...and it was preventing most of the pain meds from working to their full extent. Total nightmare. Long story short, I was eventually hooked up to a Dilauded drip every 5 min...and was still in agony. Like auburn girl, my doctor said he'd never seen anyone with such a high tolerance to pain meds. I was a fool and didn't tell them I'd been on subs. I guess I felt embarrassed.

                          My 2nd discectomy surgery - last Oct - I told my doc about the subs. He told me to stop taking the subs about 36 hours before surgery. He knew the pain meds they administered in the hospital wouldn't work to their full extent, but it worked out. I was in pain, but I managed with Percocet for a week after surgery, then started my sub taper up again.

                          If I were you, I'd tell your doctor. They need to know. But you'll be ok!
                          Sorry for the long winded story...you got me thinking back about all that stuff when you asked about surgery and subs..lol.

                          Glad to have you here on the forum.
                          Kat

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                          • #14
                            Hey bob how are ys?

                            we have a few things in common
                            we both tried quitting subs at 2mg before (unsuccessfully )
                            we both fathers..and good job being a single.dad.man i respect that. A LOT
                            we both are somewhat alone with these addiction.issus as we keep it a secret...

                            I can completly relate... i dunno.if you read any of my thread but my po therapist judge and what not have no idea I'm on suboxone and they would.probably toss me in jail if they did....its messed up..

                            um i was doing great in AA till they found out i was on subs which.was my fault cause i took to many benzos one day and went to a meeting and spilled my guts ....its been nonstop concern and busting my nuts ever since....

                            i reely regret that..
                            my point is ya sometimes you have to be selective in.who.you choose to disclose such things too...

                            my family knows ...I've told them and glad i did and while some of them disowned me...the important ones support me...

                            so ya not everyone is gonna be as understanding as we are in this forum...

                            i was able to get al my problems out here and the people have been really great...

                            i needed support and another human to admit the inner workings of my mind too...and altho this is just an internet forum...i think its a great source.of support and just as valid as anything else....


                            i.appreciate the hell.out of it so anyways feel free to take advantage of the benifits....

                            sometimes i just right down what I'm feeling or thinking at the time wether anyone responds or not..but they usually do....


                            anyways just wanted to say your not alone in it anymore and at least.you can get support here...that's a step in the right direction no doubt...jay

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                            • #15
                              Good morning, Bob! Yep, I think most of us do keep our addiction a secret. I'm lucky enough that I can talk to my husband about this, but there have been lots and lots of things I kept from him, before. None of my family knows, my co workers would be in shock. I was to embarrassed to tell my dr. when I had surgery. Plus, my parents were around and I didn't want them to hear or find out. Talking about it on this forum helps! Spill your guts if you need to. We are here for you!

                              And you jumped at 2mg AND had to take care of the kids, ALONE?! Man, that must have been rough. I can't even imagine that.

                              What's your plan for today? If I remember right, we both have completed 4 days at .25. You hanging out there? Going lower?

                              I agree about Robert! Jay said once, "it's like we discovered the fountain of youth or something". This taper plan really is golden.

                              Hope you have a great day. Oh, and thanks for the prayers. I really appreciate them.

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