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  • #61
    Originally posted by Iwantoff2013 View Post
    Hi Michele,

    Good to hear you're making another drop. A 25% drop from 6 mg is 4.5 mg (not 4 mg). It definitely makes a difference. Dropping more than 25% at a time will likely bring on symptoms. Don't rush it.

    Hope you have a nice sat!
    Kat
    Kat don't know what I would do without you....clearly math ain't my thing!
    Have a great day!

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    • #62
      Happy fathers day to all!

      Kat you prob would know is.....so I feel great other than my stomach....since my last drop I've been having stomach issues and constantly in the bathroom... Can it be because of the drop?

      Also how many times a day do you take your vitamins?

      Hope your enjoying your weekend

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      • #63
        last night was a rough one which is giving me thoughts of the evil Percocet....but i just quickly this am took my 2 mg dose and another 1/4 of one. I'm thinking i may need to up my dose to 5 mg. Because i am not stable on the 4.5 mg. i was sweating all night and have the runs. not sure if that means that I'm not stable at my dose but i never felt that when i dropped before. like now i am cold but all night i was sweating. Let me know your thoughts on this.
        thanks
        michele

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Iwanttobeclean View Post
          last night was a rough one which is giving me thoughts of the evil Percocet....but i just quickly this am took my 2 mg dose and another 1/4 of one. I'm thinking i may need to up my dose to 5 mg. Because i am not stable on the 4.5 mg. i was sweating all night and have the runs. not sure if that means that I'm not stable at my dose but i never felt that when i dropped before. like now i am cold but all night i was sweating. Let me know your thoughts on this.
          thanks
          michele
          Hey Michele,

          Today is day 3 at 4.5 mg, right? Sub has up to a 72-hour half-life, so sometimes minor symptoms may crop up on days 3 & 4 of a taper. Unless it persists and becomes a problem, you should probably stay at 4.5 mg. Having said that, this is your taper. If you feel that you really need to be at 5 mg instead, that's ok.

          I've been having lots of cravings lately, too. Ugh. I find myself romanticizing the pills sometimes. Gotta stop that. There's a 7 pm meeting tonight that I hope to make if hubby gets home in time.

          How was your weekend? Ours was nice. We had a BBQ at my parent's new house. The weather was absolutely gorgeous yesterday!

          Kat

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          • #65
            Hey Kat
            So nice to hear from you....i feel like its been a while.
            today i'm a bit better and in the am i took the 2.5 mg and figured at pm i would see your reply and take just 2 mg or if i really need 2.5 again.
            Its almost 3 pm so my next dose is in a hour. I have been feeling good but defiantly jittery and anxious.
            This am i was starting to read your journey....its amazing really how far you've come and how helpful you are to others. It's really amazing that your here to help people you don't even know.
            Its funny bc everytime i crave those stupid things i remember towards the end how nervous and crazy they made me. I would obsess over these stupid small pills and they ran my life. Honestly they really didnt make me feel good at the end. i was so addicted and used to it that my body had no reaction.
            I know i can do this bc i want to so badly i think abt taking one and its honestly just not worth it.
            why waste this past month how i have come so far....i cant throw it away and i am happy with who i am now.
            Thanks kat for your help
            michele
            oh and just let me know abt the vitamins

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            • #66
              Hey hope you get to make it to the meeting tonite.
              Just wanted to know how often do you go?
              i need to start going more and maybe that will help as well.

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              • #67
                Hi! Idk if I've talked to you on here before or not? I recently weaned off and your symptoms sound exactly like mine. I know I was constantly on edge for the first couple of drops worrying about if the taper is going properly or not. You will come to see that you almost adjust to feeling sweaty, and chilly here and there and just like with anything else with your body you kind of get used to it and you'll notice you forget more and more about the symptoms. At the beginning your just so focused on how you feel I know . Just waiting for the "bomb to drop" so to speak. For anxiety I hear good things about passion flower. I ordered some on amazon to try it out. I will keep you posted when it gets here.

                Congrats for putting yourself through this in general...if you makes you feel any better my symptoms were strongest at the beginning of the taper, but once I jumped I realized it was easier then when I was tapering. That's the beauty of the taper, your body does adjust at some point so by the time your finished and you jump off, your almost like wow really? That's it? Because for the past few weeks you've been there done that. So the jump for me was less painless then my taper at times. So it does get better One peice of advice that helped me out, was try not to focus so much on tomorrow. Just focus on making it through today because tomorrow you might wake up and realize you were worried about nothing and just wasted today stressing. So try to stay in the moment and occupy yourself min by min if need be. Your doing awesome so far! Hang in there!

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                • #68
                  Hey Gettinitoverwith
                  Wow congrats to you!!! That's awesome that you made the jump successfully, I love getting advice from ya'll so nice to have people to turn to while going through this.
                  I am not as much worried about Tom as today... I do think of the future but I had so much anxiety when I was abusing that I honestly don't even want to go back there, but I do remember the beginning when I started using and how great I felt.
                  My anxiety level is so much less now when I'm on the sub that I am so much happier. Yes I defiantly have my moments but I just keep thinking how much better off I am and my family.
                  How long we're you on subs for?
                  I love hearing everyone's stories..I'm gonna go and read your previous posts to get a idea.
                  Have a good night
                  Michele

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Iwanttobeclean View Post
                    Hey Kat
                    So nice to hear from you....i feel like its been a while.
                    today i'm a bit better and in the am i took the 2.5 mg and figured at pm i would see your reply and take just 2 mg or if i really need 2.5 again.
                    Its almost 3 pm so my next dose is in a hour. I have been feeling good but defiantly jittery and anxious.
                    This am i was starting to read your journey....its amazing really how far you've come and how helpful you are to others. It's really amazing that your here to help people you don't even know.
                    Its funny bc everytime i crave those stupid things i remember towards the end how nervous and crazy they made me. I would obsess over these stupid small pills and they ran my life. Honestly they really didnt make me feel good at the end. i was so addicted and used to it that my body had no reaction.
                    I know i can do this bc i want to so badly i think abt taking one and its honestly just not worth it.
                    why waste this past month how i have come so far....i cant throw it away and i am happy with who i am now.
                    Thanks kat for your help
                    michele
                    oh and just let me know abt the vitamins
                    That was sweet, thanks for saying that. I like to try to help as much as I can because I remember how lost and scared I was when I first came here. I was lucky to have so many supportive people come to my aid, so I try to do the same.

                    About the vitamins: Once a day I take my multivitamin, B-100 Complex, magnesium, potassium, and zinc. I also take fish oil and phosphatidylserine 2-3 times a day.

                    I usually make 3 meetings a week. I would go more if I had the time. I can honestly say that getting involved with a 12-step program has made a huge difference for me. The common bond and support system is priceless. I've made some really good friends, too. I think I said this before -- women's meetings are my favorite. You should really get involved. Ya never know, it could end up being just what you need! What area are you located in, if you don't mind me asking?

                    It's so awesome to hear that you're feeling better about yourself now. I hear ya, me too. One relapse would change all that and we'd be right back at square one. It's strange because one day I'll have minimal cravings, and the next day it will consume my every thought. Sometimes I get so tired of actively "fighting" this beast, but the alternative is way worse. I know what you mean about not even getting the euphoria in the end. I used to have to swallow at least 6-7 pills at a time to even get a slight buzz. Ugh, how awful.

                    Anyway, I better run. Got some work to finish before my son wakes up from his nap. Talk soon.
                    Kat

                    PS - I noticed you said you started to read through my thread. You're probably wondering why in the hell my taper is taking so long..lol. I had a few "detours" along the way...story for another time...
                    Last edited by Anonymous; 06-16-2014, 06:20 PM.

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                    • #70
                      Hey Kat I'm from ny and defiantly can go to way more meetings than I have been going to. I know they would be helpful to me but I am just scared to go because none of my family or friends know abt my addiction. My husband doesn't even know which is defiantly hard because he is the one who started me on those damn things.
                      I used to steal from his stash till I got my own.
                      Now he hides it from me and I don't even care to look or make my life abt that.

                      It liberates you when divorce those damn things!
                      I'm feeling much better today than past few days wondering if its ok to split my doses to 2.5mg in am and 2 in pm.

                      As far as the vitamins I was taking the magnesium and potassium twice a day is that too much?
                      I don't take zinc I gotta start and is the phosphatidylserine the ltrysione?

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Iwanttobeclean View Post
                        Hey Kat I'm from ny and defiantly can go to way more meetings than I have been going to. I know they would be helpful to me but I am just scared to go because none of my family or friends know abt my addiction. My husband doesn't even know which is defiantly hard because he is the one who started me on those damn things.
                        I used to steal from his stash till I got my own.
                        Now he hides it from me and I don't even care to look or make my life abt that.

                        It liberates you when divorce those damn things!
                        I'm feeling much better today than past few days wondering if its ok to split my doses to 2.5mg in am and 2 in pm.

                        As far as the vitamins I was taking the magnesium and potassium twice a day is that too much?
                        I don't take zinc I gotta start and is the phosphatidylserine the ltrysione?
                        Does hubby have a problem with opiates, too? Are you afraid to tell him because you fear he'll be angry? I know how hard it is to come clean with family and friends. I don't think it's necessary to shout about our addiction from the rooftops - lol - but being honest with those closest to us is liberating. It keeps us accountable. I had my addiction hidden from everyone except my husband. I told my best friend (we met at 8 yrs old) and two older sisters. My friend always knew something was up, but my sisters had no idea. All of them, including hubby, are totally supportive. Even though hubby has moments of frustration, he stands by me. What's holding you back from telling your husband?

                        I take 500 mg magnesium (2 capsules) and 300 mg potassium (3 capsules). Of course, they're both in my multivitamin, too. But since potassium is only available in 99 mg tablets - which is only 3% recommended daily value - I try to drink pure coconut water every day. I get it at Trader Joes or Fresh & Easy .. it's a big bottle.. about 42 oz I think. It has a boatload of potassium in it and tastes great. Phosphatidylserine is for brain health, cortisol levels and focus...not the same as L-Tyrosine.

                        Glad to hear you're feeling better. Sleep well. :-)
                        Kat
                        Last edited by Anonymous; 06-17-2014, 12:00 AM.

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                        • #72
                          Good morning!!
                          So telling my husband would just cause many complications...no he doesnt have a problem at all with them. As he always says to me is i have very addictive behavior. He on the other hand can take one or a half on the weekend and really not take anymore for the week. He has boundaries and decipline. That i am 100 percent positive about.

                          gotta go on a class trip with my daughters class and then ill go get some of the phoshatidylserine you mentioned. i cant find a gnc anywhere these days. does trader joes have any of those vitmamins.
                          love that place!

                          i have also been keeping busy with this new skincare line i started using and became a consultant so trying to give that a shot.

                          have a great day!
                          michele

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                          • #73
                            Kat
                            sorry it was very early before and now just finished my workout and showered, kids still sleeping so i have a min.
                            Its awesome you have such a strong support system in this. I guess thats what you need, but you i assume were perscribed this medication as to where i wasn't most of it.
                            meetings im sure would help me just really hard to find time.
                            have a great day!

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                            • #74
                              Michele I had not been online recently and see where you were having some symptoms at 4.5 but it looks like from your recent post that you were feeling a bit better today. I think I already mentioned to you that I never felt any of my drops but in the last 18 months I have spent many many hours reading threads on this site. I have noticed a lot of people sometimes say that they don't feel a drop until day 3 of the drop. So it is not that uncommon of a thing. Here is another thing to try to remember while you are tapering. People that don't use any sort of drugs at all don't feel 100% 365 days a year. I have been clean 18 months now yesterday and there are days where I don't feel fine. So while we are tapering we tend to think everything is related to our taper. Also when we are tapering we sometimes hit what I call little roadblocks along the way. Sometimes when tapering a person may need an extra day or 2 at a dose to be completely stable. While I was tapering and it was time to do a drop of 25% and it was in between a weird % drop I always took the higher number on my drop. I made sure I never dropped more then 25% on my drop. So some of my drops might have been less then 25% but they were close to it. I noticed you wondered if it was ok to split your dose 2.5 and 2.That should be fine to do just try to dose at the same time or close to it every day. You are doing well with your taper Michele seeing how you just stated subs 4 weeks ago and have gone from 22 mg a day to 4.5 a day. Also the fact that your Dr I believe put you into PWD and you had a rocky start. Best wishes to you and I will talk to you later.

                              Alex

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by alexnt View Post
                                Michele I had not been online recently and see where you were having some symptoms at 4.5 but it looks like from your recent post that you were feeling a bit better today. I think I already mentioned to you that I never felt any of my drops but in the last 18 months I have spent many many hours reading threads on this site. I have noticed a lot of people sometimes say that they don't feel a drop until day 3 of the drop. So it is not that uncommon of a thing. Here is another thing to try to remember while you are tapering. People that don't use any sort of drugs at all don't feel 100% 365 days a year. I have been clean 18 months now yesterday and there are days where I don't feel fine. So while we are tapering we tend to think everything is related to our taper. Also when we are tapering we sometimes hit what I call little roadblocks along the way. Sometimes when tapering a person may need an extra day or 2 at a dose to be completely stable. While I was tapering and it was time to do a drop of 25% and it was in between a weird % drop I always took the higher number on my drop. I made sure I never dropped more then 25% on my drop. So some of my drops might have been less then 25% but they were close to it. I noticed you wondered if it was ok to split your dose 2.5 and 2.That should be fine to do just try to dose at the same time or close to it every day. You are doing well with your taper Michele seeing how you just stated subs 4 weeks ago and have gone from 22 mg a day to 4.5 a day. Also the fact that your Dr I believe put you into PWD and you had a rocky start. Best wishes to you and I will talk to you later.

                                Alex
                                Good morning Alex,
                                Hope you've been well and had a great fathers day!
                                I cant get over how much better i am feeling now than when i was using. Yes sub is very strong and i know i am not out of the woods yet but i am much happier and feeling much better on it than on my DOC.
                                Cant believe that i started this crazy journey only almost a month ago. When i get the urges and desires for my DOC i remind myself how bad and nervous and crazy it made me feel.
                                Thanks for your input on the drops and i am terrible with math so not sure my next drop but i am gonna stay here for few more days.
                                Congrats on 18 months Alex! do you ever have urges and desires anymore?
                                michele

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